Your Contribution Needed on Non Small Cell Lung Cancer Story from PaulF

Dear Friends,

I was recently contacted by PaulF, who kindly asked our help on generating ideas on options that he may consider for his dear sister who was just diagnosed with stage 4 non small cell lung cancer two weeks ago.

On the same line as the post from Ergin, https://www.cancertreatmentsresearch.com/your-contribution-needed-on-ovarian-cancer-story-from-ergin/ I would like to invite you if you could please share here ideas and experience that may be relevant for PaulF and his dear sister.

Off course, as the disclaimer is also stating, this website is not intended to offer medical advice but to try and get together as much collective knowledge as possible, so that finally, together with our medical doctor we make informed and successful decisions regarding our treatment strategies.

Here is the message from PaulF:

My sister was just diagnosed with stage 4 non small cell lung cancer two weeks ago.   She had been having trouble breathing for about 6 months and then suddenly two weeks ago could not breathe at all.   She went to ER locally and they did a chest x-ray and CT scan showing to Right lung almost collapsed due to the fluid in the chest cavity.  They took off 1650ml of fluid and sent this to lab showing the entire R lung to be involved but no extension outside of the chest wall.   She will have a PET scan tomorrow and then an oncology visit on Friday with a medical oncologist.   I am hoping she can possibly use Keytruda or one of the other check point inhibitors.   She prefers not to do chemo or radiation if possible.   I have start her on multiple supplements at this time, which I will list below.

Curcumin 3g daily

Selenium 400mcg

Black Cumin seed oil

CBD oil

Quercetin 3g daily

ALA 600mg daily

Vit C lipsomal 2g daily

Vit D 8000iu daily

Green Tea Extract

Do Terra essential oils DDR Prime and Frankincense

Magnesium 300mg

Iodine 12.5 mg daily

Protelytic enzymes

Proton Pump Inhibitor Omerperazole

She is also doing baking soda and hydrogen peroxide food grade with a nebulizer.

These are more support supplements at this time and I am really wanting something to actually fight the cancer.  Any suggestions directly for lung cancer would be most helpful  I see a lot of re-purposed prescription meds, but not sure which would be most helpful at this time.   Due to just Medicare she doesn’t have the ability to travel. 

Paul

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Ria
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I think the care oncology clinic in london could be the option

PaulF
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Daniel and others. Thanks so much for your compassion and comments. This is a very stressful time for our family.

Pet Scan was completed this afternoon with results tomorrow. We see a medical oncologist tomorrow as well for chemo or radiation options. She really does not want to do chemo or radiation. I am particularly interested in Immunotherapy as Keytruda has now been approved for Lung cancer.
We are really wanting to target alternative treatments that will have some killing affect on this cancer. Lipid strategy is a possiblity. She is already on Green Tea Extract and Curcumin, which should help. I would like to know if anyone has had success with DCA for Lung caner as it is a promising treatment?

I would welcome all other treatment possibliities

Alex
Member

Dear Paul.
My mother is suffering from almost the same thing. Adenocarcinoma of the lung with spine bone invasion, post operative, poor diferentiation.
Surgery was a big mistake in our case so we stopped there, then started research after being struck by the idea, something may not be right here…. looking left and right, seeing all the suffering and pain for those coming out from “treatment” was not a nice view.
They took out part of the lung in a massive surgery, leaving tumor tissue where they couldn’t cut into. Giving the procedure a time buying solution rank at best.
Your sister’s experience may be better depending on many factors tho.
You may want to think about every $ you spend from now on, this problem doesn’t go away easy and you’ll need ever single $.
We are now in the situation where mostly i can’t afford the basic food needed, let alone treatment or testing. I did and am doing my best tho.

In our experience, up till recently. CBD oil and Aspirin were the most relevant.
We began the new treatment plan that just recently includes DCA ALA, CA, HCA, Metformin, Aspirin, Thanks to Daniel and this foundation,
Mother is feeling a bit better i must say. And the bump on her hand seems to have gotten softer a bit as well.
Perhaps we could colaborate to save our loved ones.

Best wishes,
Alex

Andreas
Guest

Hello Alex
I just wonder what CA is ?

Alex
Member

Hi Andreas
We use CA for Citric Acid, takes a while to get used to.
ALA – Alfa Lipoic Acid
DCA – Sodium Dichloroacetate
HCA – hydroxycitric acid – Garcinia Cambogia
Others i am not aware of.

Best wishes,
Alex

Andreas
Guest

Seems to be a good combination , I usually also see people using low dose naltrexone using ala and Hca.

Andreas
Guest

yes one has to be alert on this one , different cancers react differently. I usually read mostly about pancreatic cancer and naltrexone seems to be working against that cancer.

Alex
Member

This is all i found on Naltrexon and NSCLC
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22343623
I’m wondering if it is correct to interpret that it didn’t help the cancer. !?!??
If my interpretation is correct than perhaps it would be a good one to try to add to our protocol?
Thank you!

Helga
Member

Dear Paul,

you might be surprised to find out that several patients here (myself included) use citric acid and in line with Daniel’s ph article it seems that acidification of the body and the tumor (in combo with proton pump inhibitors) may be a better strategy than alkalinization. I take about 15-18g citric acid but Dr. Halabe started this kind of treatment in Mexico and he comments here once in a while.

Alex
Member

Dear Helga, you i understand are a doctor, would you have the basic equipment to do a baker’s yeast test with CA?
Thanks!
Alex

Helga
Member

Dear Alex,

No, I am not a medical doctor. But what is the test you are referring to? You mean, add CA to yeast and see what happens?
Cheers,
Helga

Alex
Member

Yes i was thinking about bakers yeast, favorable situation for it to ferment, adding some Citric acid in containers and see what goes on in various situations. Low dose, high dose, no dose etc.

Many thanks, I hope you are feeling well.
Alex

PaulF
Member

Alex and Helga

Thanks for your encouragement and concern. I am seriously considering the DCA but am not sure what else would be good to use synergistically with this treatment. Perhaps someone will have some ideas.
Helga I have read the post on Citric Acid and this seems to be a very good treatment. Thanks for this info.

Paul

Meech
Member

I’ve heard from Dr. Khan at Medicor that he’s seen some synergy with DCA and platinum based chemotherapies. I think it may be anecdotal though. Daniel has a post on DCA here with synergistic agents.

Metformin has shown synergy (as per a few papers, and Dr. Khan again suggests it).

ezjohnson
Member

I had almost the exact same thing happen to me about a year ago. Check to see if they can do genetic testing on the fluid drained from the lung or get a needle biopsy if possible; to see if you get a match for EGFR, ALK, ROS, etc targeted treatments. Also insist they send your samples in for Foundation One testing. If you are in a small town in the good ole usa and your oncologist is not familar with these get a 2nd opinion from a doc in your nearest city.

ovidiu
Member

I second this. Targeted therapies, with TKIs, while limited in results for many patients, are MUCH easier to bear than platinum doublets.
Also check if it is adenocarcinoma or squamous cell, the best treatments differ.

Alex
Member

Dear Ovidiu,
My mother has gone trough her first chemo cycle, carboplatin, bisphofonates, vitamins, omeprazole, etc.
After all your research, what would you say we could talk to the oncologist about?
Things to support the treatment……
At the moment we are a few days away/maybe a week from getting Erlotinib.
Looking forward for your best answers,
Thank you and good luck!

ovidiu
Member

I would add a moderate dose of diverse probiotics (large dose can damage the liver and pancreas), they can augment the efficacy of platinum treatment.
Well-balanced commensal microbiota contributes to anti-cancer response in a lung cancer mouse model.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26125762
Regarding Erlotinib, it is only useful if the patient has the EGFR mutation, and for stage III (cancer cells that have undergone EMT are resistant to Erlotinib).
But it may be possible to reverse resistance to Erlotinib with Disulfiram (40 mg, 2 – 3 times a day), which is a potent PLK1 inhibitor (and it’s metabolites probably too). Cells that have undergone EMT are more sensitive to PLK1 inhibition.
A phase IIb trial assessing the addition of disulfiram to chemotherapy for the treatment of metastatic non-small cell lung cancer.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25777347
Polo-like kinase 1 inhibition diminishes acquired resistance to epidermal growth factor receptor inhibition in non-small cell lung cancer with T790M mutations.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27384992

as
Member

Don’t forget to support the body with proper nutrition, a vegan ketogenic diet is ideal. Admittedly I am not familiar with the lipid issues mentioned in earlier replies – not sure that affects this general approach. Some of these substances are harsh on the body and nutrition is key. Green juices, green smoothies, vegan keotgenic with moderated (not high) as per Dr Seyfrieds study which I believe applies to all cancers.

Andreas
Guest

I would like to make a point on the supplement , both curcumin in its original form and quercitin is poorly absorbed in the body. However there are new technologies improving the bioavailability of curcumin , some of them like nano curcumin, liposomal curcumin, bmc 95 and so own. However the best absorbed curcumin, that I have come in contact with , if one can believe the company, is Ultracür . This curcumin is bound to a whey complex ( protein ) which raises the amount of curcumin in the blood significantly. In the order of 180*ordinary curcumin.

When we come to quercetin there are a form of it called Isoquercitrin which is 17,5 times more absorbable than the ordinary form.

PaulF
Member

I wanted to give a update on my sister. We got the results of the PetScan yesterday and there is no metastasis outside of the lung. MRI will look at the brain next week. We met with the oncologist also and he did have several Immunotherapies that have shown good response in lung cancer (Keytruda). He stated no surgery or radiation would be of any help. Chemo would only at this time give her better quality of like, but as always with a price of some side affects. It looks like I am going to have to try many of the treatments mentioned here on the forum

My thoughts as of now are DCA, Metformin, Mebanzanole, Omperazole ALA and CA.
I am also considering adding Artemesinin but would appreicate from others if this would be a good idea?
any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

We are also going to get blood work for ERG,ALK ROS

Paul

Ergin
Member

Hi Paulf,
First we have to understand mechanism and which drug which target.This is must.
You must read this page carefully because i didnt read upto months and surprised.

https://www.cancertreatmentsresearch.com/cancer-treatments/
Kind Regards
Ergin

Alex
Member

Dear Paul, i asked the same question in the recent past and Daniel said that there’s sufficient data pointing to possible fatal results when combining DCA+Artemisinin. as treatment. The mixture would be potentially fatal due to liver toxicity.
IF you have some $, i would get as many tests done prior to treatments. The goal of the tests would be to to show you defficiencies in blood, minerals, immune system, hormones, glands, tumor markers, etc (the more tests the better).
This would probably save you money on the long run and you wouldn’t loose valuable time with treatments of all kinds that may in fact worsen the situation. Every person is special and has special needs, the goal of these tests is to check what is wrong, any imbalance or deficiency or even organ/tissue damage. The more tests, the more data, the more data, the better the selection of treatment/s, the better the selection, the more efficient and potent but also cost effective.
I’ve made mistakes in the past, i will probably make some more, thanks to this foundation and Daniel, my mother and i are having a second fighting chance to possibly win this battle.
Daniel and everyone else are doing their best to guide as much as possible but we have to make the choices.
So i bashed my head against the wall once again and the above said are my conclusion and best advice i would give at this time.
TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST – Strategy – Treatment!!! – Observe effects- Hope for the best.

If i am wrong, someone please correct me here.
Best wishes to everyone,
Alex & Mother

PaulF
Member

Alex

Thank you very much for this information. I agree it makes so much sense to know exactly what were dealing with rather than throwing the whole sink at the disease. We have started a lot of testing at this time and many scans. I see you have changed your protocol several times after reading many of the above posts. What do you feel right now has been the most successful for your mom?

Paul

Alex
Member

Dear Paul,
Changes have been made due to many reasons, availability of treatment elements, financial problems, side effects, and very importantly, reading here about the synergism between the treatment elements.
Aspirin and CBD oil helped the most in the past.
Sadly aspirin can not be taken too long due to side effects, Daniel warned plenty of times and i respect his wisdom.
Still some aspirin i believe is necesarry to reduce the high risk of blood clots as long as other benefits.
I say sadly because in my ignorance i find that aspirin is highly potent anti-cancer agent.
So mother replaced the 500mg aspirin with 50mg diclofenac 3 times a day. She seems to be feeling even better day by day.
I would love to be excited about all these but testing is required.
I hope that the tests will reveal the targets where treatments needs be directed and also offer clues as to what treatments should be obtained and administered, to save time, money, and i hope, her life.

Best wishes,
Alex

Alex
Member

My suggestion in this order is:
1 do tests, the more the better. immune system, hormones, minerals, markers, proteines, lipids etc. etc. etc.
2 after blood collection for tests, begin transition to vegan diet
3 reduce inflamation of the body with supliments, food, drugs
4 check results of tests and find the best solutions based on tests
5 monitor with markers

I strongly believe in those 5 at this time.
Remember, i am fighting the “same” problem with my mother at this time so i may be wrong about all that.

Cheers
Alex

Helga
Member

Hi Paul,

I also link this article here: http://cms.herbalgram.org/heg/volume8/files/HerbalContraindications_E1_E2.pdf A list of bebeficial natural substances that can be combined with chemo. Good to hear that your sister has no metastasis. Alberto thinks that Pres. Carter possibly got citric acid with his Keytruda, based on the response, which as a standalone treatment was not quite as successful in others.

Kind regards,
Helga

PaulF
Member

Thanks Helga, this is the most complete list I have ever come across.

Paul

Alex
Member

Thank you very much dear Helga.
Very valuable info right there.

cracov02@yahoo.fr
Member

Hi,
If your Daughter doesn’t take opiates you should try LDN (low dose Naltexone) which is really powerfull. See the woks of Dr Burt Berkson and Bihari.
I have met a french doctor who used it in association with Artemisia annua and he has great result with some patients (But Dr Bihari did the same a few years ago).
And artemisia seems to work well for cancer lungs.
This is what he did :
He gave Artemisia annua during 5 days, 4X6 = 24 pills per day. I dont remember the concentration of the pills, i f you are interrested contact me, i have bought it for my mother in law who has a pancreatic cancer, but she doens’t want to take it. Take a lot of iron before starting Artemisia (red meat, spinach…) and then stop three days before taking artemisia.
And no antioxydant during Artemisia annua.
and with artemisia annua he gave Mycelium => Ganoderma (Reishi) et coriolus versicolor

After Artemisia :
Sodium-R-Lipoate + Hydroxycitrate + LDN (low dose Naltrexone)

At the same time, take CBD all the time.
For LDN, it really important to take Vitamine D because if the level is too low, it won’t work.
With this cure, the french doctor saved the wife of his friend with ovarian adenocarcinome. The tumor disapears in 3 weeks.
And Dr Berkson said about LDN it doesn’ cure, but it make the tumor diseappears. And it’s already a good result.

If you need more information

cracov02@yahoo.fr

I hope it will help you.

Sylvain from France.

cracov02@yahoo.fr
Member

Hello Daniel,
I was interested in the alternative treatments on cancer because one discovered a pancreatic cancer to my mother in law. And I accidentally discovered the work of Dr. Laurent Schwartz, who gave me hope. Unfortunately, pancreatic cancer is one of the few that does not work with lipoic acid and hydroxycitrate. So I continued my research and discovered Dr. Burt Berkson’s work on LDN and lipoic acid, but unfortunately it was too late because my mother-in-law was already taking a lot of morphine. So I enrolled in a French association that brings together many patients around Dr Laurent Schwartz :
http://www.cancer-et-metabolisme.fr/
I have never met Laurent Schwartz because he is really busy and because metabolism is not the solution for pancreatic cancer.
And it was this association that put me in contact with a doctor who had amazing results with the artemisia annua and especially the LDN. I bought for my mother-in-law the same artemisia as this doctor. I found it on this site which no longer sells it online because it is banned by Europe I believe, but we can call the laboratory and pay by phone:
http://www.bionops.eu/fr/
They no longer have the right to sell it online but I managed to order it by phone giving the name of my doctor friend. But i believe you can give any name they don’t check anything, it is a little bit strange.
Number 0800.005.068
I do not know if they are delivering abroad.
One capsule contains 300 mg of artemisia annua. I hope it will help people.
And thanks for your site, it’s really a huge work you did.
Sylvain

Helga
Member

Hi Sylvain,

that is a very interesting info. could you tell why you think artemisia is banned in Europe? there seems to be a german product: https://www.amazon.com/Artemisia-Capsules-Wormwood-Artemisinin-Production/dp/B00SR8VQ82

but I have seen such bans myself. On cimetidine mainly. by cbd you mean cannabinoid oil? where can you get that?

thanks in advance,
Helga

cracov02@yahoo.fr
Member

Hi Helga,
My french doctor recommend me this website for high quality product of CBD. But i didn’t try, it is too expensive for me.
http://www.alpha-cat.org/potency-tested-cbd-products/

CBD is oil from hemp i believe, but there is no THC inside. But you can find all informations on the internet about this.

Lars
Guest

Hi Paul,

can you give some more information on your sister? What is her age? And is she a smoker, or former smoker? And where in the world are you (or she) based?

My wife, 32 years old, has EGFR positive NSCLC. We have been in this fight for a couple of years. If you answer the above questions, I will try to come back with some further comments.

Also: do you know if they are testing for PD-L1 expression? That may be useful in order to determine whether immunotherapy is a good option.

PaulF
Member

Lars

Thanks for being willing to help.

My sister is 70 years old. She was a smoker for 20 years, but did quit 29 years ago. We both live in Oregon.
We have just compelted the test for genetic mutations and are awaiting the results. They will test for PD-L1.

I would really appreciate knowing what you are using at this time as a treatment protocol

Paul

Ergin
Member

Hi Lars and PaulF,
May be you want to search for CimaVax-EGF Cuban cancer vaccine.
used for specifically non-small-cell lung carcinoma (NSCLC).
Kind Regards
Ergin

PaulF
Member

Ergin

Thanks for the help, I will look this up and report back.

Paul

PaulF
Member

I have been researching cannabis oil and it seems the best results have been with a oil with higher THC. A 4:1 ration of THC/CBD has been suggested.
A FECO (Fully Extracted Cannabis Oil) is the preferred one being used, which is the same at Rick Simpsion Oil other than Simpson uses a different extraction method.

Is anyone using such an oil as described above?

Paul

Alex
Member

Hi Paul,
Canabis oil…. don’t go with the wave, get the best oil you can get and don’t think about it much.
I bought it for my mother from a local manufacturer and it was good, it was advertised as a miracle cure, just like everything else in this business. It helped her but not something you would notice very easy.
We did aspirin+cbd oil and oh boy that felt awesome. When i gave my mother aspirin and saw she felt alive again, i felt like i should be given a nobel prize for it. But it’s not that simple sadly.
Don’t get into the thc/cbd ratio and such because i feel those don’t matter all that much except maybe in the lab where they test it on cells.
I feel all the details surrounding the oil and many other miracle cures are just pseudo-science meant to give desperate people hope.
Don’t get stuck in the details too much, they are not all that important, i doubt one oil would cure and the other won’t. If people say it’s good, the manufacturer has a good reputation, than that must be it. Use it with hope but expect the worst.

Best wishes,
Alex

PaulF
Member

Alex

Thanks for putting this into perspective, it is easy to be swayed by just one treatment, but the overall picture is what we have to focus on. I really appreciate your comments.

Paul

Alex
Member

So my mother has a enlarged nodule on her arm, its been there since early January.
Started small, and stabilized.
Lately it’s been getting softer and then harder but mentaining size. (due to treatment)
How does one interpret this? Is it a tumor or not?
If it is a tumor i feel it may be used as an indicator of successful treatment or failure…. and it’s hard today. (Strangely mother is feeling great)
Oncologist today told her that remission should be painful. That if you feel good it’s all bad, but if you feel bad then it’s good.
Oncologist gave a full hour of talk about the benefits of chemo but didn’t say anything about the risks or side effects or failure.
Please, any thoughts on this!?

Thank you
Alex

Alex
Member

SO i’ve told my mother to take 2 capsules of HCA because of the amount stated on the container, it says 1500mg / serving of 3 capsules but only now i realize the amount of extract in 3 capsules would be 1050mg
I understand Dr Laurent used a dose of 1.8g/day of Alfa Lipoic Acid and 3g/day of HCA as maximum values.
In the case of Alpha Lipoic Acid i can’t find more information on the container, simply states 600mg, so that would mean 3 capsules/day.
I am wondering if HCA should be 9 capsules/day instead of 6 as mother was taking.
The container has instructions written to take 3 capsules twice a day. 30-60 min before food or as directed.
DCA has been 500mg X3 a total of 1.5g/day. Still no periferal neuropathy. 7+ days

Any input most appreciated.
Many thanks,
Alex

PaulF
Member

I had emailed Dr. Hada in regards to my sisters Stage 4 NSCLC and asked his opinion on a treatment protocol. He was very generous to get right back to me with some good info that may help others as well. I will quote the following paragraph from the email he just sent.

To Mr. Paul Fieber

I estimate that your sisters accumulation of pleural fluid is caused by VEGF. Thalidomide and celecoxib is strong anti-VEGF drugs. In addition to the drugs low dose metronomic gemcitabine are very effective. The direct infusion of cisplatin into the pleural cavity is also effective.
Please refer to my new home page http://www.rogueorgan.com

Hada clinic
Masato Hada

He did also have good information on his new web page.

Paul

PaulF
Member

Hi

I have been looking at using 3BP for my sisters stage 4 lung cancer but read that it does not work as well with large tumors. I emailed Dr. Jason Williams and he verified my thoughts. He states not enough of the 3BP will get to large tumors and this in turn can cause the cancer to become more agressive. Has anyone else had this experience. My sister has a very large mass to her entire R lung.

Paul

PaulF
Member

I am considering using 3BP as a core treatment for my sisters stage 4 lung cancer. What other supplements and therapies would work along with and enhance the use of 3BP?

Paul

Helga
Member

Regarding heat treatment (sorry Paul F for hijacking your topic) I just remember that in school kids ate chalk if they didn’t want to go to school as this caused them a fever. While not suggesting we should try eat chalk, I wonder if it is known why it causes it? And how damaging is it for the body?

Alex
Member

lol, why eat it when you can fake it?
LOL
Anyway… as for resistance to hyperthermia, it occurs because of plastic changes, chemical bonds that stay the same, new tissue will be vulnerable, says my reasoning from philosophy and some science.
To kill those who were changed you need more heat than before.

Our only true chance seems to be helping and reinforcing the immune system… anything that would work against that, should be discarded i think.
While the immune system is not fast acting, it is quite obvious to me that it is the one to blame for having allowed cancer grow to it’s present size, whatever that may be. For not responding to its presence accordingly.
So i deduce philosophically with a bit of science, that maybe…. just maybe… by helping it with whatever we can… we may succeed in many many many more cases than any other proposed solutions to the problem.
It seems to me that there is no standard treatment because of the numerous variations in people. So a personalized treatment must be done based on testing. Should tests reveal nothing, i feel that’s because we are not testing the right things, so it falls on our lack of information then.
If it sounds like i am overestimating the immune system it’s because…. we don’t have nanobots yet sadly.
IF the immune system isn’t doing it’s job, nothing can save anyone from cancer or any other infection. No chemical and no treatment.
Cancer is there because the immune system failed to do it’s job when the tumor was growing at first, and now it’s too big to be dealt with even with a strong enough immune system, and if it would act very fast, the host would probably go in the process.
The problem would come back each time the chemical or treatment is stopped.
The Thing is protected by many many shields and has many escape routes.
Take out the shields then free the soldiers and feed them, while starving the cancer. Sounds like a strategy Alexander would use or Napoleon.
I find it stupid that we have all this computer power these days and we are not using it to simulate cancer and treatments.
At least i don’t know of anything that’s being done in the simulation area. We simulated things for so long…. with great results.
Our computers could help if we input the real data into it and simulate the rest based on all that we know, we could test treatments and check for efficiency in each private situation, saving lives and money in the process.
A team of programmers would be needed…… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpS6nbjpfiQ

Many Thanks!
Alex

Wondering
Guest

hi Alex,

re immune system: i dont think its about the size of the tumor. many actions of cancer are supported by our immune system. So sometimes if you make the immune system stronger it can enhance cancer too, on top of the risk of getting an autoimmune disorder that can be equally devastating.

Sometimes lymphocites are helping cancer cells.

The issue is they dont recognise cancer as such because cancer cells pretend (with chemicals and enzymes) that they are normal even when they get bigger and bigger.

So if we could somehow make sure that they do recognise cancer as such we could “boost” it afterwards with success. Also, some chemoterapics (and some natural compounds) work by revealing the nature of cancer cells and re-enabling our immune system. I need to check which are these.

Alex
Member

Thank you Wondering for your reply,
Indeed if we got a hold of these masks that the cancer is using to identify as self, maybe we would have a better chance at this.
Perhaps Daniel knows more about this or could ask about it. I also feel it would be of great value.

Many thanks, Take care.
Alex

Alex
Member

Looking forward for your findings “some chemoterapics (and some natural compounds) work by revealing the nature of cancer cells and re-enabling our immune system. I need to check which are these.”
Thank you,
Alex

Wondering
Guest

i have found the old article claiming this. basically they wrote that during many conventional chemo treatments (like cisplatin) researchers noticed that apoptosis is not independent from the immune system- the treatment marked the cancer cells, made those visible as cancer cells to the white blood cells and the latter ones stopped supporting cells that were not recognised anymore. i am sorry i can’t name any feasible option for you.

Helga
Member

Hi Alex,

What makes you think computer simulation and modeling are not used to try to fight cancer? They are but you would not be able to locate them among computer game-writing programmers like the one you linked in your post. Like yourself said human biology is far too complex and these kinds of computer programmers are usually far too ignorant to be up to the job.

But there ARE such people. I just had an Indian student, a girl visiting me who showed me her presentation about modeling a protein when it had a point mutation and showing that one of the hydrogen bonds must have suffered/been destroyed, therefore the stability of the protein is compromised. In another work she used a technique called docking to model protein-DNA binding, a process often goes haywire when a transcription factor (a protein) mutates and cannot do its job properly not being able to bind properly to the DNA. It is quite amazing if you think about it, people figured out which little places in our 3 billion-long genome certains proteins/transcription factors bind to and if there is just one replacement in the four-letter alphabet (A,C,G,T) in our DNA at just one such particular position, our cells might go down that forbidden path and turn cancerous.

But, besides programming, you would need to learn (i) about the genome, (ii) genes, (iii) protein structure, (iv) DNA structure, (v) docking and a million other things to place your simulation/docking experiments in proper context to draw some relevant conclusions about cancer and other diseases. There is tons of information and data out there. You just have to start somewhere. People have been doing it ever since there have been computers around. And even before that time. The first protein database was published by Margaret Dayhoff as a book! It was like a dictionary, proteins sequences were listed in it in alphabetical order.

You just have to have the will and determination and you can transform yourself from an ignorant programmer into a knowledgeable computational biologist within no time.

Regarding the immune system I agree with everything you say.

Best wishes,
Helga

Alex
Member

Something we could all learn from this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hUoyXKf81c
It’s a question.

Thank you so much,
Have a great weekend all.
Alex

PaulF
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Alex

Thanks for the Utube video. I feel cannabis has very favorable affects if administered correctly. Most people still look at what Rick Simpson has been doing for 15 years. His treatment schedule is now outdated. It is important to get a higher THC to CBD ratio and the correct plant strain must be used. The Indica seems to be better for advanced caner’s. Also when making up the oil, the whole plant must be used as there are over 400 different compounds in a plant. This is not counting the terpene’s which can even be more important. The oil has to be admistered very carefully and a tolerance built up before giving high doses. The target dose should be based on many factors including weight, height age, medical history and medications.
The dosing shoud also be given twice a day rather then just at night and the oral-sublingual is the preferred route for delivery. Suppositories have poor absorbtion.

Paul

Alex
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yet another utube

https://youtu.be/1PNgTgxeUM0

nope no, text to read

Take care.
Alex

Alex
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LOL

looking for the one that’s right for NSLC and got this.

“Why is this medication so expensive?
Cyramza
$3,392.44

This medication is patent-protected. We are working to get you a better price. We encourage you to use your insurance if it’s cheaper, and browse our thousands of medications under $10.”

Ramucirumab (Cyramza®)

More proof of our species being pathetic, valuing $ more than life….. pathetic.

Alex
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What is cancer?
Proof of inteligent design? Lack of it?

I’m curious what would the scientists and thinkers of the past have to say about what is going on with this problem now.
I have a feeling that given all the resources available, past+present, that they would crack. History seems to me was more full of innovative thiking. Nowadays we only get better smartphone cameras, more data storage, etc….

http://leavesoflife.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/hipocrates.jpg

Hipocrates, a man ahead of it’s times?!

Cheers
Alex

Wondering
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hi Alex,

I believe in Richard Dawkins view on the “selfish gene”.

Basically it says that genes (just like memes) dont always “care” much about the body as a whole entity – of course they “want” to keep the human owner alive but they are not intelligent and they dont see the future. They dont plan. they reproduce. They activate themselves. They are selfish. They fight for becoming active. They counteract other genes or cooperate.

I think cancer happens when there is an unlucky combination of activated and / or mutated genes that are harmful _together_ for the body.

Note that the activation can happen due to genetic, epigenetics, lifestyle etc, so i am not saying that Gene mutation theory is the best theory.

freaking cancer seems to be just sad unluck in most cases, nothing more, no intention. But i believe sooner or later humanity will beat every cancer.

PaulF
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Daniel

Are you at all familiar with a product call Phophoethanolamine? It was originally produced in brazil and used there with many ancedotal cases of success. It was also noted to inhibit metastisis in Lung cancer.

Paul

Alex
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Dear Paul,
How are you and your sister?
Protocol update and status?
I hope you have good news.
Best wishes,
Alex

Carolina
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Dear friends,

paulF, did your sister try immunotherapy? My mom has non small cell and she was not a smoker so apparently immunotherapy works better for smokers. I thank all of you for this high level discussion. I seek advice. My mom was diagnosed with non small cell adeno stage 3b 2 yrs ago after left upper lung removal. Unfortunately there was lymphatic contamination already. She did 4 rounds chemo (carbon and permetrxed) plus 5 weeks of radiation which 3 months later had her in heart surgery for hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Then 6 months later confirmation of metastasis tô lymphatic system. I doubled down on nutrition starting a low carb keto diet for 0+ blood type, astragalus, cordyceps, 20k ui vitamin d per day, now artemisia, 30 billion prescribed probiotics per day. After chemo again starting in Feb, cancer is now resistant. She was given three choices 2nd line by doc here in Brazil and our research in US: 1) heavier chemo 2) there is a trial in Us for her mutation which is Exon 20 http://investor.sppirx.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=1019351 and 3) immunotherapy which has shown to be not effective on non smokers. Appreciate any advice. Thank you!

Alex
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Dear Carolina and friends.
Let us not forget the huge importance of Metformin, Simvastatin, Aspirin, Lansoprazole, Diclofenac, Cimetidine, HCA,
After all this time, these to me, stand at the foundation of treatment right next to diet.
Please add your own opinion, element.
Many Thanks,
Alex