Your Contribution Needed on Breast Cancer Story from Emad

Dear Friends,

On the same line as the post from Ergin, https://www.cancertreatmentsresearch.com/your-contribution-needed-on-ovarian-cancer-story-from-ergin/ I would like to invite you if you could please share here ideas and experience that may be relevant to Emad and his dear mom.

Off course, as the disclaimer is also stating, this website is not intended to offer medical advice but to try and get together as much collective knowledge as possible, so that finally, together with our medical doctor we make informed and successful decisions regarding our treatment strategies.

Here is the message from Emad:

 

Dear all , my name is Emad Abushofa , from Libya

In 2012 my mother diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer , Estrogen positive , Her2 negative

Tumor marker was about 500, she was walking hard because of mets in her legs

After 9 cycles of chemo then radiotherapy , the tumor marker declined to 30 , and she became able to walk normally again

Then she started on hormonal therapy , but the markers were raising slowly

Until August  2015 , the tumor marker became 2000 , so decided to return to chemo

She took  6 cycles of taxotere ( also I added DCA + Natural protocols like Budwig , MSM LIPH , Juicing , Liposomal Vit C)

The tumor marker declined from 2000 to 353

After another 3 cycles , but this time only chemo , the marker rised to 712

Then the oncologist changed the chemo to 5FU and venorelbine , 2 cycles with DCA , the tumor marker declined to 450

Then I stopped DCA few days and didn’t give it before chemo , the marker rised to 558

Then again DCA with chemo + artimisnin + baicaline , decline to 450

Then I run out of everything , marker rised to 714

Changed the chemo to Gemzar + Carboplatin , 3 weeks per cycle

Cycle 1 : chemo alone , decline from 714 to 685

Cycle 2 : chemo then DCA IV added lately (not before chemo) , raise to 699

Cycle 3 : chemo + DCA IV , decline to 517

Cycle 4 : chemo + DCA IV + one shot half dose Salinomycin base version , decline to 408

Cycle 5 : chemo + DCA IV + one shot full dose Salinomycin base version , decline to 317

Then we stopped 2 weeks because of blood transfusion , also runout of Sal

Cycle 6 : 2 weeks DCA IV only, then half dose chemo with DCA IV , raise to 380

Cycle 7 : chemo + DCA IV , decline to 350

Cycle 8 : chemo + DCA IV + 3 shots Salinomycin sodium salt version , decline to 330

Cycle 9 : chemo + DCA IV + 4 shots Salinomycin sodium salt , decline to 320

Then another stop for 2 weeks because of blood transfusion (DCA IV  + one shot Sal)

Cycle 10 : 75% chemo , DCA IV + procaine IV + high dose lansoprazol + 1 shot Salinomycin sodium salt in the same day of chemo

Tumor marker raised from 322 to 607

 

Few notes :-

1-     I started to give procaine IV just 2 weeks ago , 2ml of 2% solution , half an our before DCA IV

2-     My mother always had a marked tremor when using Sal , sometimes strong

3-     First 3 days of chemo I give my mother 180mg lansoprazole per day , then 80mg for other 4 days

4-     The mets on my mothers bones are small and stable for along time , but the mets in her liver are trying to grow fast , 5 spots less than 1cm , 3 spots between 1cm to 2cm

5-     Im not sure about the last chemo cycle, we felt like they didn’t give my mother the proper dose

Now I only have DCA + procaine, I have 100ml MethylGlyoxal , no more Sal

 

I will be happy to listen from you , your opinions will always help us

Thank you so much

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Ergin
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Emad,
My brother,my friend.
No one can catch except a few people.
But i catch because i know you.
***23mg/kg MG***
This word consists full of knowledge and smells help to others.
This is a real human clinical trial although one person but very precious person,our mother.
Thank you Emad for humanity,i wish one day everyone will share his/her experiences here wlth talking on dosages.
Kind regards
Ergin

Emad
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Thank you always dear Ergin

sharing everything about our protocol is the smallest help I can give , and unfortunately I don’t seem to be helpful more than that

also I really wish if other people just give some time to share what they are doing , it doesn’t make sense to just watch and not even giving some time to write few words that may help other readers

Emad
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We are switching back to 3-BP and Sal after we run out of MG

we can’t know if MG did anything , we may know if my mother went to Germany for another MRI scan and TACE

still we are trying to gain more help from the government to continue do 1 or 2 more TACE sessions , 6 weeks passed since the last one

Emad
Member
Fighting these days with the port a cath , its partially blocked , I just administrated 2/3 of the 3-BP bag , and throw the rest of it because its no longer getting through the port , it was like throwing a part of my body , it was a bad night yesterday I tried to administrate only NaCl to see if its going through the port normally , and it did go normally like there is no problem , I don’t know how today tried to give NaCl again so if things went good then I will give Sal… Read more »
Meech
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I don’t have a port-a-cath in but I do have a nephrostomy tube, which is essentially a catheter that’s implanted through a hole in the back, into the kidney, to drain urine into an external bag. I’ve had it for a year and had issues similar to this the entire time. Firstly, internal (kidney) infections due to the tubing. The body isn’t made to have rubber and plastic in it at all times, long term. In the year, I’ve had an infection almost every month. Secondly, external infections, from fluid draining around the catheter. Thirdly, blockages of the tube due… Read more »
marcosbomber901
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Hi Meech
Can you tell me the dose of januvia,propranolol,celecoxib,omeoprazol you recommended Dr. Jason Williams after the crioablation-immunotherapy

thanks

Meech
Member

– Cyclophosphomide 50mg every other day, for 3 months

– Januvia 25mg every day, 7 days on, 7 off, for 28 days

– Cialis 5mg every day for 3 months

– Protonix 40mg per day for 1 month

– Celecoxib I take because I’m on a blood thinner. I take 200-400mg daily. They normally recommend Aspirin 81mg-100mg 2x daily.

marcosbomber901
Member

Hi Meech
Thank you very much

Meech
Member

Of course. I hope it helps.

Emad
Member

Hi Meech , thanks for helping on this

yes as you said I did read about this and its suggested to visit a radiologist to inspect it

also I started to give antibiotics today to my mother , just in case because there is inflammation around the port and I was fighting a lot with it and the risk of infection is getting higher when doing such things

hope just I can somehow un-block it so I can continue my career in doing IVs

Ergin
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My brother Emad,
Very sorry to hear that bad happening.
I am also in a very bad situation.She was nearly passing away 2 days ago.And still she is not good.We are in hospital from days.Also ascite in lungs.Kidney tube etc.
I have a good news:May be Daniel hearth about it.
I know a patient survived by this.And oral usage.
When i learn more,i ll update.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26873189
Kind Regards
Ergin

Emad
Member

I’m sorry to hear this brother 🙁

please do your best , she must survive

I didn’t hear about this approach , hope it the key for success

I believe on you brother , tell me if I can help in anyway

marcosbomber901
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Hi Ergin
I feel much the situation of your mother Ergin, my pain is your pain.If i can help let me know

Ergin
Member

Believe me friends i firstly cry when i saw your messsges from years.
I feel that i have best friends

Ergin
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A very big secret,
I gave her dissacharide coated nano silver in hospital while.drs said there is a big peritonitis on abdomen.The ascite was full of leukocyte and eritrocites.More than 10.000.
I saw ldh 350 after nano silver.It was 170.I am not sure but what is this?
She is now on full.of antibiotics.
Yesterday we hopefully gave caelyx.
Very very big pain on kidney after operation,morphin didnt release pain.
I ll update.

Emad
Member

Continue with it Ergin , always do your best

I’m praying for both you and your mother to see improvements soon

Ergin
Member

Emad please read this article,especially look at mice test.Today we are begining.
http://www.flora-balance.com/temp2/c-2005-7-cytoskeleton-disruptor.pdf

Emad
Member

I believe you will do it Ergin , glad to here you are starting it

I wish to hear good news soon and better improvement of your mother , God give her healthy long life

Ergin
Member

My brother Emad,this must be lesson for everybody.I have full of valuable drugs in refrigerator and never used.
I was waiting for chemo alone to work from months and if chemo doesnt work i was planning to use others.
But when chemo doesnt work,it goes like a rocket.I miss those stable days.
Daniel has a good sentence, using chemo without sal or 3-bp,phlorizin etc.,it is an opportunity lost.

Emad
Member

Dear Ergin , we all lost a lot of opportunities in this fight and still losing some

but when the fight is still on , this means we still have time to do what we want , and still there is opportunities left for us

praying to hear good news soon

Ergin
Member

Dear Emad,
Thanks alot.I believe too much to oleuropein liquid form which we are using now.Something changed i feel i saw a good responce or a placebo effect,i dont know.
Please search for it i ll send you a bottle this week.
Kind Regards
Ergin

Emad
Member

Thank you always Ergin , may God show us more improvement soon

Emad
Member
Today we visit the doctor , he is the first Libyan doctor who did place a port to a patient in Libya unfortunately he said its blocked and can’t be opened again , and the membrane of the port is teared so I guess I will stop giving IVs for a while I have about 7 to 8 3-BP shots , and 3 Sal shots , I wonder if its a good idea to give 3-BP orally now , and if its ok to give Sal IV with a canula placed in the arm , or should I pay 250… Read more »
Jcancom
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sirsna,
I had not understood that you are coping with cancer in the liver.
I wish you good luck!

sirsna
Member

Thank You, this situation is new to me, too (I mean mets in liver) – there was nothing in Pet scan 7 month ago in liver, but now in all globes multiply, super negative dynamics.

Jcancom
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sirsna, have you heard of deuterium depleted water (DDW)? The science has been building over the last 25 years and it has reached the clinic. Apparently you can make your own with about 100 ppm Deuterium by simply freezing and thawing filtered water 4 times. You could then add in some of the commercial suppliers product to modify the deuterium content from there. I had not realized this until this past weekend, yet it appears that DDW actually has an anti-cancer effect related to a metabolics. It truly is amazing! Are all cancer treatments based on metabolics? DDW could be… Read more »
ovidiu
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I mentioned DDW in a collection of possible treatment enhancements for pancreatic cancer, although it wasn’t tested for that cancer.
https://www.cancertreatmentsresearch.com/alternatives-in-advanced-metastatic-pancreatic-cancer-by-ovidiu-herlea/
However, DDW seems effective in breast cancer (DDW caused human breast tumor regression in mice).
Here is the site where I bought some for one of my cats (she is 19 years old).
https://www.drogheria.ro/produs/apa-cu-continut-scazut-de-deuteriu-25-ppm-qlarivia/

Jcancom
Member

Wow!
ovidiu, 14 Romanian lei =~ US $3

I had no idea that DDW could be so affordable and 25 ppm is very very depleted of Deuterium.
You might want to start more at 125 ppm and work downwards. I had thought that this would
cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

Any idea of how much shipping for a bottle would be?

ovidiu
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@jcancom: 14 RON is for half a liter (they only bottle them in 0.5 liters…), so a months supply of about 50 liters is about 1400 RON or 300 euros. I don’t know about shipping abroad, in Romania above a certain amount ordered the shipping is free. You could contact the store and ask about long distance shipping. No, you don’t start at 125 ppm, since you have to get there or lower for your entire body water. Depending how much DDW you drink daily (you can use diuretics and spend more on DDW to get there faster) you can… Read more »
Jcancom
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$3 a bottle seems like such a great deal.
This is one of the examples where you have thirsty customers wanting a product
and the only question is how can you bulk ship it to them at a reasonable price?

I would think that ordinary freight would be very expensive.

It looks like it would only cost $1000 per TEU (11k ft^3, 21k kg), to the US East coast.
40,000 bottles of 25 ppm DDW = $1000 shipping cost.
2 cents a bottle to ship.

https://moverdb.com/freight-costs-usa/

Jcancom
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ovidiu, I was quite surprised to read that DDW also works through the metabolic network. It is very surprising how much cancer truly is a metabolic disease. Yet, I was looking yesterday at what is considered the leading the leading cancer textbook: there is not a single mention of metabolics and cancer. It is not that there is a small writeup; there was NO writeup! How can someone be a cancer doctor without some understanding of the metabolic perspective? I do not see how there can be any possible doubt that a cure for cancer runs through metabolics. I sure… Read more »
sirsna
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Hi! Thank You Emad, for Your kind description. Than You, Jcancom, for more ideas. As I said I had liver biopsy, which confirmed BrCa mets in liver. My primary cancer was with hormone receptors ER100%, Pr80%, AR100%. Now liver metastases is triple negative. I decided to take systemic chemo Carboplatin + Docetaxel. Fasted few days prior, in the chemo day (yesterday), and fast continues today, I think till tomorrow midday. My blood glucose was very good – 3.0-4.0, blood ketones 2.1-3.0. Except shortly after chemo infusion blood sugar jump to 7, then after few hours to 5 and this morning… Read more »
Meech
Member

Daniel would recommend holding off the metformin for a length of time before chemo.

sirsna
Member

Hi Meech !
I remember this idea about stopping metformin shortly before chemo and then restart in one day with chemo.
But is this idea good for both acid and base chemotherapies?

Alex
Member

Dear Sirsna, please look into anti-angiogenesis, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjkzfeJz66o
I can think of no better video to try to explain it.
It would not be without side effects but may help you.
Almost al cancers require angiogenesis, inflamation, energy.
Messing around just a bit with the basics, MAY give good results, or help you get better results, however if not careful the opposite could be true.
Talking to the doctor/s about this, is important when making decisions.
Best of luck,
Alex

sirsna
Member
Thank You Alex, for this link. As my cancer is highly advanced now, diet is not enough. I am now goint to the intermittent fasting/keto diet side, just I will be very careful with fats. I have many questions in my mind where I do not have enough knowledge: As Carboplatin is weak acid I can not add Basentabs or Omeprazole. I am already on Simvastatin and Metformin (I have option to change metformin to Berberine if liver enzymes will be to high) can Carboplatin be coadministered with Aspirin, Dipyridamole, Mebendazole? I will try to get perscription from my doctor… Read more »
ovidiu
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@sirsna: actually, you could add a proton pump inhibitor to the Carboplatin + Docetaxel chemo. This study of Esomeprazole (I don’t understand why they didn’t use Omeprazole or Lansoprazole, they are safer) in advanced breast cancer looks promising.

Intermittent high dose proton pump inhibitor enhances the antitumor effects of chemotherapy in metastatic breast cancer.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26297142

sirsna
Member

Just found this – can this be because diabetes drugs tend to decline alkaline environment?

Diabetes drug dramatically boosts power of platinum chemotherapy
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2007/05/diabetes-drug-dramatically-boosts-power-of-platinum-chemotherapy/

sirsna
Member
Hi, Ovidiu! I red this idea from Daniel`s posts, that some chemos are weak bases and others are weak acids. And this is also from Daniel`s ideas : Proton pump inhibitors will help the chemotherapies that are weak bases (most of the chemos are this type) and will NOT help the chemos that are weak acids. “the acidic milieu of the extracellular medium promotes the uptake of weakly acidic drugs, such as cyclophosphamide and cisplatin and thus increases their cytotoxicity.” “Cisplatin, being a weak acid, exhibits significantly greater uptake from acidic milieu, resulting in increased intracellular accumulation and heightened cellular… Read more »
ovidiu
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@sirsna: from the article I linked before (they don’t give much importance to the ph of the chemo): We have recently shown that particularly cisplatin resistance of human malignant tumors may be the result of both tumor acidity and the release of nanovesicles called exosome. In turn, also exosome release from cancer cells is highly increased by environmental acidity and proton pump inhibitors or buffering procedure dramatically inhibit exosomes production by cancer cells. A different approach for TNBC might be the use of Selamectin, which decreases metastasis and may sensitize the cancer cells to Tamoxifen. Selective Inhibition of SIN3 Corepressor… Read more »
sirsna
Member

Thank You for info.
Now I am confused about PPI. I used Omeprazole from ~april, but now discontinue some weeks before chemo.

I never heard of Selamectin, Avermectin and Ivermectin. Looks promising. But it always take time to get medication “in the house”.
I have Mebendazole tbl. “in pocket”, but I do not take them now. What do You think about Mebendazole in my situation?

ovidiu
Member
You don’t have to discontinue PPI “weeks before chemo”, although I am uncertain about the optimal schedule… Mebendazole – I couldn’t find something about it and TNBC. Flubendazole appears to be useful against breast cancer stem-like cells, but has very poor bioavailability. Flubendazole, FDA-approved anthelmintic, targets breast cancer stem-like cells. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25811972 Flubendazole overcomes trastuzumab resistance by targeting cancer stem-like properties and HER2 signaling in HER2-positive breast cancer. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29080749 I was reluctant to mention Selamectin because it’s studied only for veterinarian use, I couldn’t find data about human pharmacokinetics, also nothing about interactions with other drugs. If you are brave and… Read more »
Alex
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Dear Sirsna, The speaker in that video, is also talking about anti-angiogenic drugs that can be used against cancer, the diet part is mostly for prevention, once advanced cancer is established, diet becomes less and less a priority, so it seems, while trying to not make the cancer happy, it’s also important to feed yourself, don’t starve yourself thinking it will kill the cancer, advanced cancer always finds a way to survive, but it may also have weaknesses, genetic profiling of the tumor cells may help in that direction, timing and strategy is also another big one. A plan must… Read more »
Emad
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Dear all , hope you all are fine and doing good and sorry for not showing a lot these days I have a new update my mother did her fifth TACE today but Prof Vogl said that the results are mixed a part of her liver tumor did shrink a little bit , but also there is a part that increased in size also he said that the increased part is the reason of why my mother feels weak and tired also Prof Vogl said that the increase is because we didn’t come in the right time , its been… Read more »
sirsna
Member

Hi, Emad !
How are You ?
How is Your Mother ? I hope treatments keep her stable ! Do she still visits prof. Vogl ?
i.

Emad
Member
I’m fine , just busy because I started working from the early morning to late night my mother aren’t doing good , she is barely moving most of the time , very tired and feels pain all over her body not because of TACE , its complicated , low HB , she also catched a cold , there is inflammation in her left lung yesterday was the 5th TACE session , in general all the tumors on the liver did shrink even after 2.5 months from the 4th TACE but there is a clean area in the liver which wasn’t… Read more »
Emad
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Update sent from prof Vogl Pre-recording of 20.10.2017 on the correlation present. Significant increase of intrahepatic lesions in both liver lobes, exemplarily in the liver segment 4/8 currently 6.7 x 6.3 cm, previously measuring 4.4 x 3.6 cm, further focal lesions in liver segment 4 currently 6.9 x 5.0 cm, previously 3.7 x 3.9 cm measuring. As well as significantly increasing lesions in the left lobe of the liver. No cholestasis. Unchanged representation of the kidneys. Unchanged renal cyst on the right side. No adrenal cavity. Minimal perihepatic free. Fluid can be delimited. Increasing para-aortic and mesenteric lymph nodes in… Read more »
sirsna
Member

Dear Emad, sorry to read Your Mothers news.
Do You have next plan what to do?
Does she takes Basentabs?

I am just back from hospital from 4th chemo. Waiting for abdomen CT results. This time we were 5 women in hospital room, one young lady 31 years old, mother of 3, she has mets in brain, liver, lungs , pancreas, not yet histology report, but her cancer marker was high Beta hcg, some kind of placental cancer. Other woman was dying with lots of pain and ascites in abdomen. Not easy to see that all.

Emad
Member

I’m sorry that you are seeing all this 🙁

its devastating , I hope it doesn’t let you down

no my mother is not taking basentabs , but the next plan is to do TACE like before but just try to come in time and not going late like before

also prof Vogl added Xeloda (oral chemo tablets) , and soon will return to use 3-BP , Sal and others when possible

I’m worried about how is the CT results ?

I will pray for your health

marcosbomber901
Member

Hi Emad
I hope that your dear mother this well with his treatment of TACE.might ask you a question, based on your experience with salinomycin, do you think that the salt is equally effective as the salinimicina that you can buy in Sigma Aldrich?.Thank you for your help Emad

Emad
Member
Hi marcos my mother is still feeling weak and tired , the next TACE session will be after 10 days , we will see at that time how is the results regarding Salinomycin, you mean the difference between the expensive base version and the cheap salt version ? I didn’t notice any difference between the two versions , I used the base version twice , not enough to judge it , but it looks like the salt version , no clear difference in the effect , also no difference in the side effects hope you are doing good my friend… Read more »
Jcancom
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sirsna, I have been very impressed by minicells as a cancer for quite some time now. It is hard to believe but in mouse experiments they achieved curative responses with nM doses of chemo. Very startling. Minicells have moved into human clinical trials and the results have been somewhat mixed. There is a flu that develops that lasts for about a day and that has held back reporting the stunning results published in mice. A few years ago another research team created a minicell strain that was GRAS (generally regarded as safe). This strain is expected to have no side… Read more »
W.
Member

DEar Emad,

I am sorry you received bad news.

Can you please remind me if you already have tried 3-BP ?

Emad
Member
Hi W I did 3-BP + Sal with the first and second TACE sessions , and the results were good then I changed to MG with third TACE session and still things were good but with the forth TACE I didn’t use anything , I run out of MG , and the port was blocked so I was no longer able to give 3-BP and Sal I’m sure things get bad because we wasted so much time after the forth TACE , but also it looks like the problem was more than that , and what made it worse is… Read more »
W.
Member

Hi Emad

It is clear you always did your best within your possibilities. You live in a messed up country with no constant access to the stuff you need and still you are here, fighting for your mother with internationally recognised experts.

with much respect,
W

Emad
Member

Thanks for your kind words W , it is supportive for me in my fight

I will do my best to make things better

best wishes to you

Ergin
Member

Dear Emad,
Please work on phlorizin with TACE.
That would be a powerful,perfect and a clear solution.I can sent a mail to your dr about phlorizin.
There is a good example in phlorizin patent.
They block the blood circulation on leg and gave phlorizin with chemo for melanoma if i true remember.
Kind Regards
Ergin

Emad
Member
Thank you bro for your support I really wish if the hospital in Germany can give it but its unlikely what I could do is to buy it and teach my father how to give it to my mother before doing TACE to be honest I have a lot of things that I can give to my mother (Salinomycin + 3BP + MG + Phlotizin + Vit C) from these choices I can only choose 2 maximum , I’m working day and night all the time just to make it possible to get more and again Ergin , thank you… Read more »
Ergin
Member

Dear Emad,
I think you misunderstood my message or i misunderstood Tace.
I knew that you give chemo directly to the veins which goes to tumor in Tace.I mean a local treatment,isnt it?
If yes ,there is good option with phlorizin.
You first give phlorizin with Tace,NOT a 24 hour treatment ,it is very easy and local.We can discuss this.
Kind Regards
Ergin

Jcancom
Member
Emad, you are such a hero! You have been doing such an amazing job. Some suggestions: Vitamin C and E260 All day iv dosing of vitamin C. This was my big new insight for 2017. the original research from the 1970s found that Vitamin C was effective when given for prolonged periods. Duration is more important than dose. (see Vitamin C thread). Most patients experienced at the least rapid symptomatic benefit. E260 would be a great one to have on the shelf if needed. It specifically depletes energy supply in cancer cells. This one could be better than 3BP! There… Read more »
Emad
Member

Thank you for being here with us J

the greate info you are sharing is the best thing can any human do in his life

I’m so much interested in this approach of using Vitamin C for longer duration , I will do my best to try it

regarding E260 , aren’t there any ready made source for it ? its hard for me to synthesis it

Jcancom
Member
Emad, you are doing such an amazing job! Month after month, it finally wears you down. I am so glad that you added these kind words because I started to feel that I was not giving everyone the best possible information. I am giving the best ideas that I know of, though I suspect that someone else might offer even better suggestions. I firmly believe that the cure now exists, though it is not absolutely clear to me what it is. Vitamin C might not be the absolutely best curative treatment, though the research found that most patients did feel… Read more »
Emad
Member

Thank you so much dear J

regarding Vitamin C , what do you think about the administration route ?

is it possible to gain a good results with any oral Vit C ? or better to use oral liposomal Vit C ? or its better just to use IVs ?

Jcancom
Member

Emad, iv would seem the best choice, though this could also be supplemented with oral and liposomal.
Probably to start you would want to go slowish as the tumor burden subsided. Need to be careful of TLS
and G6PD. Post to the Vitamin C thread and we could talk about this more.

Emad
Member
New Update 2 days ago my mother did another TACE session prof Vogl said that in general the results are good , there are a good tumor shrinkage on the right side of the liver , but on the left side there is a little bit increase , he will send us a report soon but there is something I’m scared of when my father asked prof Vogl about how are the rest of the body , prof Vogl said, everything is good but there is some water in the belly my father said : what is it ? prof… Read more »
Alex
Member

So good to hear some good news, after so much hardship. But the liquid can be drained right?

Emad
Member

how is your dear mother , hope she is good

Emad
Member

it can be drained , but it will accumulate again if the underlying cause is still there

draining it multiple times may increase risk of infection

Ergin
Member

Hi Emad,
Can it be edema?

Emad
Member

Hi Ergin

he said water in the belly , which I know is ascites

I was afraid all the time from it , and hear it is

when I read about it , it seemed like it can be eliminated when you shrink cancer

Ergin
Member

Please just becareful and search for it.
I also hate liquid.