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Posted by: @johan

In the context of a multi-drug/substance approach, I think IP6 and Inositol are good candidates.

I agree. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

just because we don’t know how it works does not mean that it doesn’t work.

Actually, the reason these substances were selected by researchers and patients before, and the reason why we’re discussing them here is because they have shown very interesting effects. 
I posted the researcher’s comment to elicit more study so that we all can learn more, not to kill the conversation at all.

IP6 plus inositol still looks as one of the most promising combinations in my book.

I invite Daniel and others with strong biochemistry backgrounds to shine a light on this subject here.


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It doesn't necessarily have to enter cancer cells, phytates bind to protein, and cancer cells have a thick protein wall, and as a result could alter the functionality of the cancer cell?

Do you know if any study where they observed this effect? It would be helpful.

Could IP6 affect so many signaling pathways and have so many GFR CT’s in the cancer cells just from the cell membranes?

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No, I was just thinking out loud.

Anyway, I think the key to success is finding effective combinations, no one single substance will ever be enough to deal with such a complex disease. In the context of a multi-drug/substance approach, I think IP6 and Inositol are good candidates.

I would reformulate this statement (for the readers):

One single compound can be enough to kill cancer. This has been already demonstrated with both conventional and alternative treatments. However it is challenging to find the one that is relevant for us. Therefore, to increase the chance of a positive outcome, a combination of multiple substances that help each other is best. 

However, when trying to combine multiple elements it is essential to understand what we are doing and what are the mechanisms that we address. We can never know everything, but there is good amount of literature that can help us increase the chance that we do the right things.

This is the reason why I started publishing posts on strategies to fight cancer, i.e. highlight scientific perspectives that can bring coherence into using combinations of drugs and supplements. Examples of addressed perspectives on this website are: cholesterol, pH, energy, pro-oxidants, and others to come.

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@gge I will do my best when I find the time ... I will keep this subject on top of my list ... at this moment I am working on the new products at MCS Formulas - this is priority now since the success of MCS Formulas is key for me in staying in oncology field. But I so much look forward to dive deep into subjects like this. Until then, I will jump in to comment or answer questions only when it doesn't take too much time. Thanks for understanding.

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Posted by: @johan

In the context of a multi-drug/substance approach, I think IP6 and Inositol are good candidates.

I posted the researcher’s comment to elicit more study so that we all can learn more, not to kill the conversation at all.

 

I know and thank you for a stimulating conversation.


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Hi friends, thank you very much for continuing the discussion for this topic.

 

Thanks.

Kimster


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Posted by: @johan

It doesn't necessarily have to enter cancer cells, phytates bind to protein, and cancer cells have a thick protein wall, and as a result could alter the functionality of the cancer cell?

Do you know if any study where they observed this effect? It would be helpful.

Could IP6 affect so many signaling pathways and have so many GFR CT’s in the cancer cells just from the cell membranes?

@gge

No, I was just thinking out loud.

Anyway, I think the key to success is finding effective combinations, no one single substance will ever be enough to deal with such a complex disease. In the context of a multi-drug/substance approach, I think IP6 and Inositol are good candidates.

I would reformulate this statement (for the readers):

One single compound can be enough to kill cancer.

What's the point of you reformulating my posts? At the very least, read what I write. I was writing about cancer, the disease.

"Reliance on a single agent, whether temozolomide or anything else, is nihilistic, inappropriate, and clearly going to be unsuccessful" 

Henry S. Friedman, MD, Duke Cancer Center.

This was in response to a question about Glioblastoma treatment, many years ago.


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@johan,

You just brought a specific point/cancer type and "quote" to support a general statement (about cancer, the disease) which does not hold here. The general statement you've made remains incorrect. 

Please, only constructive discussions.

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Just read your thread guys, the combo IP6 plus inositol seems very interesting.

Adding green tea extract potentialize their effects from what I've read.

Plus vit C to add a boost.

Adding Fenbendazole to the whole and you have a good army to fight cancer right?

It would be great to make a list of the best stuff to take in priority if we get this disease. Not a list with dozen of products nobody will follow, but something like the 5 or 6 most powerful products to take no matter the kind of cancer you have.

According to my research, for the moment it's:

1- an antiparasitic (fenben is the most effective it seems)

2- IP6 + inositol + green tea

3- vit C + D + zinc

4- curcumine

5- herbs: Artemisia Annua + Essiac herbal mix

6- the metabolic treatment of Dr Schwartz (alpha lipoic acid + calcium hydroxycitrate + MSM)

 

It would be the plan I'd vote for, advisable for any kind of cancer.

And of course being aware of the importance of diet (lots of veggies, herbs, grains, good fats, good progs, no meat)

 

+ Meditation, mindfulness breathing walking, and of course turning to God.

Sounds like a plan guys why do you think?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted by: @patgom

the combo IP6 plus inositol seems very interesting.

Adding green tea extract potentialize their effects from what I've read.

Plus vit C to add a boost.

Adding Fenbendazole to the whole and you have a good army to fight cancer

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According to my research, for the moment it's:

1- an antiparasitic (fenben is the most effective it seems)

2- IP6 + inositol + green tea

3- vit C + D + zinc

4- curcumine

5- herbs: Artemisia Annua + Essiac herbal mix

6- the metabolic treatment of Dr Schwartz (alpha lipoic acid + calcium hydroxycitrate + MSM)

 

It would be the plan I'd vote for, advisable for any kind of cancer.

Your combo looks very interesting. I believe the IP6 + inositol has great potential and low risk given the info in this forum. 

Can you tell us what makes you think that adding these other substances you suggest will enhance the effectiveness of IP6 & inositol? Do they have complementary mechanisms of action or any other synergy?

I'd like to know what led you to choose together these substances over other ones.


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Well I learnt thanks to this thread that IP6 + inositol were effective against cancer, then  made some research and can confirm this through studies on pubmed. Also these studies confirm green tea increase the efficiency of the combo.

 

Concerning the other stuff in my list :

- anti parasitic drugs show a great hability to kill cancer cells by targetting microtubules. Several antiparasitic like fenbendazole, ivermectine, for the most known, seem to be very effective to get rid of this disease. Very cheap too

- vit C + D + zinc : these 3 are a must to fight against any disease

- curcumine : several studies show a high potency of this molecule to induce cancer cells apoptosis. Have to be taken at high doses (500mg/day)

- herbs: Artemisia Annua + Essiac herbal mix : Artemisia is a natural antiparasitic that works against palu/malaria/covid and many other disease (cancer too). Studies are emerging more and more about this incredible plant. Easy to grow it at home.

- The metabolic treatment of Dr Schwartz (alpha lipoic acid + calcium hydroxycitrate + MSM). Since I'm french I followed Dr Schwartz work since many years, and I have to say his results are very impressive, backed up bu french testimonials too. And he has no accointance with big pharma, on the contrary he has everything to lose by promoting cheap drugs, it makes me like his treatment even more 🙂

In conclusion, to me these stuff above would be the absolute essential todolist for every cancer patient.

Take care


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Posted by: @patgom

I learnt thanks to this thread that IP6 + inositol were effective against cancer, then  made some research and can confirm this through studies on PubMed. Also these studies confirm green tea increase the efficiency of the combo.

Thanks for giving us more info on these supplements and plants, they are very helpful.

Did you by any chance keep the links to those PubMed studies you read confirming the increased efficiency of the combo?

Did you find anything combining IP6 and inositol with the other supplements and plants?

If so, please share them here. We all want to learn as much as possible about this promising combo.

Merci bien!


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Just read your thread guys, the combo IP6 plus inositol seems very interesting.

Adding green tea extract potentialize their effects from what I've read.

Plus vit C to add a boost.

Adding Fenbendazole to the whole and you have a good army to fight cancer right?

It would be great to make a list of the best stuff to take in priority if we get this disease. Not a list with dozen of products nobody will follow, but something like the 5 or 6 most powerful products to take no matter the kind of cancer you have.

According to my research, for the moment it's:

1- an antiparasitic (fenben is the most effective it seems)

2- IP6 + inositol + green tea

3- vit C + D + zinc

4- curcumine

5- herbs: Artemisia Annua + Essiac herbal mix

6- the metabolic treatment of Dr Schwartz (alpha lipoic acid + calcium hydroxycitrate + MSM)

 

It would be the plan I'd vote for, advisable for any kind of cancer.

And of course being aware of the importance of diet (lots of veggies, herbs, grains, good fats, good progs, no meat)

 

+ Meditation, mindfulness breathing walking, and of course turning to God.

Sounds like a plan guys why do you think?

 

Hi friend, patgom~

Thank you very much for your contribution to this topic! 🙂

 

Also thank you, GgE, for your response to this topic! 🙂

 

I'd like to propose to ADD 1 more practice to your Proposed Plan: Intermittent Fasting

- Just sharing 1 information here:

https://beatcancer.org/blog-posts/cancer-and-fasting/

 

Other example:

https://youtu.be/wiGVsUtCZwI

 

 

Looking forward to learning more from the further discussion.

 

Thanks.

Kimster


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Hi friends, just adding the following "recent update (2020 Dec 15)":

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7765177/

Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6) and Colon Cancer:
From Concepts and First Experiments to Clinical Application

Published online 2020 Dec 15.

 

 

Thanks.

Kimster


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Posted by: @kimster

adding the following "recent update (2020 Dec 15)":

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7765177/

Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6) and Colon Cancer:
From Concepts and First Experiments to Clinical Application

Published online 2020 Dec 15.

Good job, Kimster! This 2020 study supports what you have been advocating here for some time.

If I were to start now a non-conventional treatment for any solid cancer, whether by itself or in combination with a conventional treatment, I would likely choose IP6 with inositol. In my opinion, it seems safer, more easily available, less expensive and potentially more effective than the other treatments I know.

I would try to get some phytin in the mix to reduce the risk of thrombosis. And I would also research what other substances to add, such as those suggested by Patgom and elsewhere in this thread, as well as fasting as Kimster says. It depends on whether their mechanisms of action help or oppose the m.o.a. of the IP6 combo and any other therapy I were following.

Fasting is very good in the fight against cancer, especially if you have extra fat. But one has to watch out not to lose muscle or bone, as both of them are necessary and it is hard to regain both of them when you are ill.


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Yes fasting has many vertues. Honestly I don't know if I'd do it if I had cancer because we need to be aware not to demineralize our body or suffer from vitamin depletion... But maybe one day per week. I'd cut all sugar sources for sure though, and eat like Paleo diet.

 

Breathing exercises from the Buteyko method are also very good to improve the general health. These are not the usual breathing exercises you know. They focus on increasing the CO2 tolerance and lowering the O2 intake. Just watch some videos on YT great stuff from Patrick McKeown who helped army officers, coaches etc with his technique.

 

To the substances I mentionned earlier I'd add CBD oil as per the Joe's fenbendazole protocol. CBD seems to have positive effects on many deseases. I don't know if I'd follow his advice to add vit E because this vitamin is very antioxydative, which is not always good against cancer.

So to sum up my own protocol :

 

1- an antiparasitic (fenben)

2- IP6 + inositol

3- increase vit C + D + zinc intakes

4- curcumine (high doses >500mg/day)

5- herbs: Artemisia Annua + Essiac herbal mix + green tea extract

6- the metabolic treatment of Dr Schwartz (alpha lipoic acid + calcium hydroxycitrate + MSM)

7- CBD oil

8- no chemo

 

A little trick when searching for stuff on google use the "inurl" operator to only get results from a specific site (like ncbi for example) and then click on tools at the top and choose the indexed date (for example Less than one month) to get fresh results.

So for example :

inurl:www.ncbi.nlm "inositol cancer"  , and choose the one year date to get last indexed results (one month returns nothing for these kewords)

 


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@patgom  Hi, i only joined this site about 10 minutes ago.  I also had IP6 GOLD PLUS INOSITOL AS TOP OF MY LIST!  i was rushed to the A and E by my son, who took me to the doctors and she immediately said "take your mum to A and E immedately with this letter. So he did, and we arrived at 8pm, it took 4 hours before i was seen and was in agony. A long story but it seemed i had the most serious absess on my left side, where the groin is? I was operated on immediately and spent ten days of sheer hell in the hospital, with drugs, morphine, couldn't eat anything at all on their menu because i had the most chronic acid reflux, and lived on just salad for every meal! I lost just over a stone, but was pleased because i am now told i have the perfect weight so that was something!  I have been researching cancer and respiratory problems for at least 15 years and my two books consisting of 192 pages would put Cancerresearch to shame in the UK lol. Whilst i was there i was finding it very hard to breathe, due to no air at all, no windows open, i am perfectly fine with fans on, however, i was given a CT scan which i didnt really want to have because i had treated myself for 17 years, until the breathing problem started. Quite by accident a doctor came in and just blurted out "We have found a 18mm nodule on your lower left lung and a couple of tiny ones on your nodes.  I looked at him trying hard not to cry and said immediately "if you think i am taking radiation or chemotherapy forget it! I refuse to have that horrific treatment. He walked out again.  I then got a letter to go to the famous Barts Hospital, and i won't mention what happened there, a long story, but i refused to have the PET/CT SCAN due to many people saying it causes cancer, so i have got to help myself.

My top few protocols would have definitely been IP6gold plus inositol by Dr. Shamshuddin, as i offered this treatment to my friend whose hubby Pat was critically ill with all the operations and messups the hospital did, finally telling her he had cancer of the gallbladder. Sadly he died before my friend could purchase the IP6 Gold, leaving her heartbroken.  The problem with the IP6 Treatment pat is simply if you have cancer, a stage 4 type, he strongly suggests 16 capsules per day! The UK are charging £70 for 240 capsules and working that out would cost £70 with the capsules only lasting 15 days! So a months supply would cost £140.00, which i simply cannot afford, especially if you have to take it for many months. It can be purchased in the USA and is less than half the price of the UK one which is identical, so i have spent the last 3 months, doing further research and spending many hours on websites etc.The other protocols i would definitely think about is GRAVOLA/SOURSOP - THE BUDWIG PROTOCOL which is very cheap consisting of cottage cheese and flaxseed oil - Pau D'Arco - Apricot Seeds and Fenbendazole, but i am having problems trying to get that, because all the UK stores have upped their prices and whereby these were sold 3 packets, they now supply just one packet which is devastating to anyone trying to help themselves. I even saw one Ebay seller, selling it for £50 and had the cheek to ask for postage, for just 1 PACKET OF FENBENDAZOLE!! Taking that 7 days a week one is looking at £350 for a weeks supply? And you need to take it for at least 2 months! I did manage to get some from a vet and got 15 packets priced at just £1.08 which was fantastic, however, i had to pretend i had a small dog to get it! Now i don't know whether to be honest with them and tell them it is wanted for me, because i would need two or three months supply! Amazon.co.uk etc are charging around £4 for just 1 packet, the vets price was perfect for me. So i am caught in all ways really pat. I also bought 240 capsules of the Graviola only to find a message by some guy who said it is dangerous to take if you have lung cancer and another one because the cancer could twist around something or other? So would be dangerous.  I could have afforded that, but like i said i refused any more scans which everyone or most who hate hospitals and the treatment, all say the scans can trigger the cancer to grow because they supply glucose when in the Petscans etc. Sorry this post is so long, it might even be eliminated because i'm not sure if there is anything i shouldn't have put? But just thought i would tell you what i believe would work, and believe me, i have over 100 protocols but have narrowed it down to just the ones i mentioned. Plus i would take certain vitamins, minerals to which i have purchased them all, but yes, i would have loved to have given the IP6 a try. It is stated best to try a few protocols? If one doesn't work the other might. Also i am petrified of receiving a "death sentence" hence my refusing the scans. I always said "if i'm going to die, i hope it's in my sleep! I don't want to face that specialist again in case they tell me something bad.  I know it's the cowards way, but i just couldn't face getting that sort of sentence by phone or face to face. I hope you understand. My thoughts are with you and all cancer patients, and hope we all find something to help us. Rosina x

 


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Hi Rosina,
First I want to tell you how much respect I have for your courage and combativity, you are a real fighter and I am sure you will overcome this. Please don't take any word from doctors as the truth because they only know what the pharmaceutical firms tell them to sell.
Keep searching and testing until you find the right treatment for you, don't let them make you desperate.
I pray for you my friend, stay strong.

Since my last message I did more researches and if money was a concern I'd narrow down the treatment to those 3 essentials: fenbendazole + CBD oil + ivermectin. If money was not a concern I'd add the others (IP6 etc). Concerning CBD I wouldn't take the RSO version because CBD is extracted with naphta (basically kerozene) and it's higly carcinogen. I'd extract it myself with alcohol or olive oil much safer. If you make the CBD oil yourself it's very cheap but it takes time unfortunatly you have to wait for the plants to grow. In case of emergency better buy it, high concentration CBD oils are not cheap though.
Ivermectin is one of those drugs that are hidden and mocked by big pharma because it is very cheap and highly effective against many deseases. We can see it these days against cov*id, ivermectin is the cure and all the govs are lying about it.

As strange as it could seem I'd also use frequencies to heal, I spent much time looking about this, and it seems very powerful. As Einstein said everything is vibration. Look for Dr Rife's work, Dr Clarke, Dr Beck, all these Dr's made the same conclusion in the last century : frequencies heal and kill parasites. They offered schematics to build simple circuits to generate frequencies in the body. Look for "zappers" on google you will find more informations. The FDA forbids these cheap devices, that's all you have to know about their efficiency.
Look on youtube too, Rife's machine is studied nowadays because researchers agree frequencies kill parasites. This stuff is incredible.

Talking about frequencies, also take a look at the 'OM' sound used in India to heal and find inner peace. The sound OM (or AUM) produces vibrations in your body that have a very positive effect. You can look on youtube to know how to do it.

I wish you all the best that the universe can give you Rosina, keep faith and keep trusting in you, having self confidence is very important in this situation. Some very wise monks say to act like if the desease was gone so your body acts like if you were cured and the desease will go away (Dr Dispenza explains this very well).


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Hi @patgom

I like a lot Ivermectin too. Are you aware of any published positive case report in oncology using ivermectin?

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@daniel Hi Daniel, I read testimonials on Joe's fb group about adding ivermectin to the fenbendazole to get better results. And on the pubmed website there are studies showing it's an effective drug against tumors. Plus I am a firm believer cancers are in a large part due to parasits, ivermectin is a powerful antiparasitic so it makes sense to me to take it in case of cancer. Cheers my friend


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Dear @patgom, thank you so much for sharing this. I totally agree, Ivermectin is a very relevant drug against cancer and I also now think cancer is triggered by something of an infectious nature.

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