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Posted by: @johan

In the context of a multi-drug/substance approach, I think IP6 and Inositol are good candidates.

I agree. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

just because we don’t know how it works does not mean that it doesn’t work.

Actually, the reason these substances were selected by researchers and patients before, and the reason why we’re discussing them here is because they have shown very interesting effects. 
I posted the researcher’s comment to elicit more study so that we all can learn more, not to kill the conversation at all.

IP6 plus inositol still looks as one of the most promising combinations in my book.

I invite Daniel and others with strong biochemistry backgrounds to shine a light on this subject here.


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Posted by: @johan
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It doesn't necessarily have to enter cancer cells, phytates bind to protein, and cancer cells have a thick protein wall, and as a result could alter the functionality of the cancer cell?

Do you know if any study where they observed this effect? It would be helpful.

Could IP6 affect so many signaling pathways and have so many GFR CT’s in the cancer cells just from the cell membranes?

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No, I was just thinking out loud.

Anyway, I think the key to success is finding effective combinations, no one single substance will ever be enough to deal with such a complex disease. In the context of a multi-drug/substance approach, I think IP6 and Inositol are good candidates.

I would reformulate this statement (for the readers):

One single compound can be enough to kill cancer. This has been already demonstrated with both conventional and alternative treatments. However it is challenging to find the one that is relevant for us. Therefore, to increase the chance of a positive outcome, a combination of multiple substances that help each other is best. 

However, when trying to combine multiple elements it is essential to understand what we are doing and what are the mechanisms that we address. We can never know everything, but there is good amount of literature that can help us increase the chance that we do the right things.

This is the reason why I started publishing posts on strategies to fight cancer, i.e. highlight scientific perspectives that can bring coherence into using combinations of drugs and supplements. Examples of addressed perspectives on this website are: cholesterol, pH, energy, pro-oxidants, and others to come.

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Daniel


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@gge I will do my best when I find the time ... I will keep this subject on top of my list ... at this moment I am working on the new products at MCS Formulas - this is priority now since the success of MCS Formulas is key for me in staying in oncology field. But I so much look forward to dive deep into subjects like this. Until then, I will jump in to comment or answer questions only when it doesn't take too much time. Thanks for understanding.

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Daniel

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Posted by: @gge
Posted by: @johan

In the context of a multi-drug/substance approach, I think IP6 and Inositol are good candidates.

I posted the researcher’s comment to elicit more study so that we all can learn more, not to kill the conversation at all.

 

I know and thank you for a stimulating conversation.


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Hi friends, thank you very much for continuing the discussion for this topic.

 

Thanks.

Kimster


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Posted by: @johan

It doesn't necessarily have to enter cancer cells, phytates bind to protein, and cancer cells have a thick protein wall, and as a result could alter the functionality of the cancer cell?

Do you know if any study where they observed this effect? It would be helpful.

Could IP6 affect so many signaling pathways and have so many GFR CT’s in the cancer cells just from the cell membranes?

@gge

No, I was just thinking out loud.

Anyway, I think the key to success is finding effective combinations, no one single substance will ever be enough to deal with such a complex disease. In the context of a multi-drug/substance approach, I think IP6 and Inositol are good candidates.

I would reformulate this statement (for the readers):

One single compound can be enough to kill cancer.

What's the point of you reformulating my posts? At the very least, read what I write. I was writing about cancer, the disease.

"Reliance on a single agent, whether temozolomide or anything else, is nihilistic, inappropriate, and clearly going to be unsuccessful" 

Henry S. Friedman, MD, Duke Cancer Center.

This was in response to a question about Glioblastoma treatment, many years ago.


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@johan,

You just brought a specific point/cancer type and "quote" to support a general statement (about cancer, the disease) which does not hold here. The general statement you've made remains incorrect. 

Please, only constructive discussions.

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Just read your thread guys, the combo IP6 plus inositol seems very interesting.

Adding green tea extract potentialize their effects from what I've read.

Plus vit C to add a boost.

Adding Fenbendazole to the whole and you have a good army to fight cancer right?

It would be great to make a list of the best stuff to take in priority if we get this disease. Not a list with dozen of products nobody will follow, but something like the 5 or 6 most powerful products to take no matter the kind of cancer you have.

According to my research, for the moment it's:

1- an antiparasitic (fenben is the most effective it seems)

2- IP6 + inositol + green tea

3- vit C + D + zinc

4- curcumine

5- herbs: Artemisia Annua + Essiac herbal mix

6- the metabolic treatment of Dr Schwartz (alpha lipoic acid + calcium hydroxycitrate + MSM)

 

It would be the plan I'd vote for, advisable for any kind of cancer.

And of course being aware of the importance of diet (lots of veggies, herbs, grains, good fats, good progs, no meat)

 

+ Meditation, mindfulness breathing walking, and of course turning to God.

Sounds like a plan guys why do you think?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted by: @patgom

the combo IP6 plus inositol seems very interesting.

Adding green tea extract potentialize their effects from what I've read.

Plus vit C to add a boost.

Adding Fenbendazole to the whole and you have a good army to fight cancer

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According to my research, for the moment it's:

1- an antiparasitic (fenben is the most effective it seems)

2- IP6 + inositol + green tea

3- vit C + D + zinc

4- curcumine

5- herbs: Artemisia Annua + Essiac herbal mix

6- the metabolic treatment of Dr Schwartz (alpha lipoic acid + calcium hydroxycitrate + MSM)

 

It would be the plan I'd vote for, advisable for any kind of cancer.

Your combo looks very interesting. I believe the IP6 + inositol has great potential and low risk given the info in this forum. 

Can you tell us what makes you think that adding these other substances you suggest will enhance the effectiveness of IP6 & inositol? Do they have complementary mechanisms of action or any other synergy?

I'd like to know what led you to choose together these substances over other ones.


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Well I learnt thanks to this thread that IP6 + inositol were effective against cancer, then  made some research and can confirm this through studies on pubmed. Also these studies confirm green tea increase the efficiency of the combo.

 

Concerning the other stuff in my list :

- anti parasitic drugs show a great hability to kill cancer cells by targetting microtubules. Several antiparasitic like fenbendazole, ivermectine, for the most known, seem to be very effective to get rid of this disease. Very cheap too

- vit C + D + zinc : these 3 are a must to fight against any disease

- curcumine : several studies show a high potency of this molecule to induce cancer cells apoptosis. Have to be taken at high doses (500mg/day)

- herbs: Artemisia Annua + Essiac herbal mix : Artemisia is a natural antiparasitic that works against palu/malaria/covid and many other disease (cancer too). Studies are emerging more and more about this incredible plant. Easy to grow it at home.

- The metabolic treatment of Dr Schwartz (alpha lipoic acid + calcium hydroxycitrate + MSM). Since I'm french I followed Dr Schwartz work since many years, and I have to say his results are very impressive, backed up bu french testimonials too. And he has no accointance with big pharma, on the contrary he has everything to lose by promoting cheap drugs, it makes me like his treatment even more 🙂

In conclusion, to me these stuff above would be the absolute essential todolist for every cancer patient.

Take care


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Posted by: @patgom

I learnt thanks to this thread that IP6 + inositol were effective against cancer, then  made some research and can confirm this through studies on PubMed. Also these studies confirm green tea increase the efficiency of the combo.

Thanks for giving us more info on these supplements and plants, they are very helpful.

Did you by any chance keep the links to those PubMed studies you read confirming the increased efficiency of the combo?

Did you find anything combining IP6 and inositol with the other supplements and plants?

If so, please share them here. We all want to learn as much as possible about this promising combo.

Merci bien!


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Posted by: @patgom

Just read your thread guys, the combo IP6 plus inositol seems very interesting.

Adding green tea extract potentialize their effects from what I've read.

Plus vit C to add a boost.

Adding Fenbendazole to the whole and you have a good army to fight cancer right?

It would be great to make a list of the best stuff to take in priority if we get this disease. Not a list with dozen of products nobody will follow, but something like the 5 or 6 most powerful products to take no matter the kind of cancer you have.

According to my research, for the moment it's:

1- an antiparasitic (fenben is the most effective it seems)

2- IP6 + inositol + green tea

3- vit C + D + zinc

4- curcumine

5- herbs: Artemisia Annua + Essiac herbal mix

6- the metabolic treatment of Dr Schwartz (alpha lipoic acid + calcium hydroxycitrate + MSM)

 

It would be the plan I'd vote for, advisable for any kind of cancer.

And of course being aware of the importance of diet (lots of veggies, herbs, grains, good fats, good progs, no meat)

 

+ Meditation, mindfulness breathing walking, and of course turning to God.

Sounds like a plan guys why do you think?

 

Hi friend, patgom~

Thank you very much for your contribution to this topic! 🙂

 

Also thank you, GgE, for your response to this topic! 🙂

 

I'd like to propose to ADD 1 more practice to your Proposed Plan: Intermittent Fasting

- Just sharing 1 information here:

https://beatcancer.org/blog-posts/cancer-and-fasting/

 

Other example:

https://youtu.be/wiGVsUtCZwI

 

 

Looking forward to learning more from the further discussion.

 

Thanks.

Kimster


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Hi friends, just adding the following "recent update (2020 Dec 15)":

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7765177/

Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6) and Colon Cancer:
From Concepts and First Experiments to Clinical Application

Published online 2020 Dec 15.

 

 

Thanks.

Kimster


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Posted by: @kimster

adding the following "recent update (2020 Dec 15)":

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7765177/

Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6) and Colon Cancer:
From Concepts and First Experiments to Clinical Application

Published online 2020 Dec 15.

Good job, Kimster! This 2020 study supports what you have been advocating here for some time.

If I were to start now a non-conventional treatment for any solid cancer, whether by itself or in combination with a conventional treatment, I would likely choose IP6 with inositol. In my opinion, it seems safer, more easily available, less expensive and potentially more effective than the other treatments I know.

I would try to get some phytin in the mix to reduce the risk of thrombosis. And I would also research what other substances to add, such as those suggested by Patgom and elsewhere in this thread, as well as fasting as Kimster says. It depends on whether their mechanisms of action help or oppose the m.o.a. of the IP6 combo and any other therapy I were following.

Fasting is very good in the fight against cancer, especially if you have extra fat. But one has to watch out not to lose muscle or bone, as both of them are necessary and it is hard to regain both of them when you are ill.


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