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(@gordonh)
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Hi Johan,

Happy New Year!

Last year in July Daniel gifted my wife with two bottles of MCS Baicalein Pure Pro Liposomal (200mg) and two bottles of MCS Boswellia Mega AKBA Pro Liposomal.  Thank you Daniel for your generosity!

My wife had started both last July and then had to stop in just a few days because we thought a sudden increase in inflammation was due to the new pills being taken (right or wrong, was not sure).  Well since then she has been taking liquid Liposomal Fenbendazole at a daily dose of 250mg which is a bit low.  Well, sometime in September her tumor grew about 50% in size and now it is about 30-40mm in width, so we thought to cycle back to the Baicalein + Boswellia Mega AKBA in the past week.  At least her tumor has not grown since September!

My question to you is:  Each MCS Baicalein pill is 200mg.  She started it a week ago and has only been taking one pill per day.  Today I did some searching on your CTR website for dosage for my wife's situation and found the following three (3) different posts regarding Baicalein dosage.  We appear to be way under on the dosage:

1.

https://www.cancertreatmentsresearch.com/quercetin-a-hidden-gemstone-in-cancer-treatments/?highlight=Baicalein

“...Baicalein: depends on the source – if pure than 600mg to 1g/day...”

(posted on June 30, 2016)

2.

https://www.cancertreatmentsresearch.com/fenbendazole/?highlight=Baicalein

“…Baicalein is a very good natural extract against breast cancer – it can be bought from Chinese suppliers on Alibaba at 98% purity and mixed with oil, taken at about 400mg/day ….”

(posted on August 14, 2019)

3.

 
Posted on December 5, 2021
 
"...Oral administration of skullcap polyphenols (200 mg per kg per day) to tumor-bearing mice displayed 50% reduction in tumor volume after 7 weeks of treatment https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17516867/

So for a 60Kg human that would be approx 1000mg or 1 gram per day. Daniel will correct me if I am wrong..."

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Question #1: The 3rd post above was yours. The first two are Daniel's. Should my wife follow the 200 mg per kg per day dosage and if so, should she slowly move up to that from the one 200 mg pill she is taking today - or transition to that greater amount immediately (aka a step function transition)?  

Question #2: If my wife should follow the 200 mg per kg per day dosage, should she take it all say in the morning or should she spread the dosage out so that say half is taken in the morning on an empty stomach and the other half before or after dinner? 

Warmest regards,

GordonH


   
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Hi @gordonh, sorry I missed your post. If you include the forum username in your post it'll send a notification via email. Mine is @j Daniel's is @daniel.

Between July and September, the tumor grew by 50%. Was she taking only Fenben during that period? And when her tumor stabilized did you do anything differently?

How much Boswellia is she taking?

Regarding Baicalein, indeed from that study I posted the equivalent human dose would be about a gram a day. Daniel mentions 600mg to 1 gram. You could start at 600mg and then up titrate to 800mg and 1000mg.

To improve bioavailability it might be a good idea to take at least some on an empty stomach. If she doesn't like that taking it with meals is fine.

Regards

Johan

 

 


   
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(@gordonh)
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Johan,

I seem to have missed answering one of your questions concerning how much Boswellia is she taking.

The answer is that she is taking one of the Boswellia Mega AKBA Pro Liposomal and she is also taking a similar Boswellia pill per day known as "BosMed 500" which is a good brand that we already had before we received the MCS products. Once we (she) finishes the BosMed 500 she will take two Boswellia Mega AKBA Pro Liposomal pills per day.  If this (plus Baicalein) works well for her we will definitely be return MCS customers!

Best regards,

GordonH


   
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Posted by: @gordonh

Johan,

I seem to have missed answering one of your questions concerning how much Boswellia is she taking.

The answer is that she is taking one of the Boswellia Mega AKBA Pro Liposomal and she is also taking a similar Boswellia pill per day known as "BosMed 500" which is a good brand that we already had before we received the MCS products. Once we (she) finishes the BosMed 500 she will take two Boswellia Mega AKBA Pro Liposomal pills per day.  If this (plus Baicalein) works well for her we will definitely be return MCS customers!

Best regards,

GordonH

Hi Gordon,

Here's more information on the use of Boswellia:

https://www.naturalmedicinejournal.com/journal/boswellia-and-brain-tumors

If you don't see any benefit in taking 2 caps, about a gram of Boswellia maybe the dose isn't enough. Both brands are fine.

Regards

Johan

 

 


   
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(@gordonh)
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Hi Johan,

Thank you for the link regarding the use of Boswellia.  It is much appreciated.

You asked about the timeline concerning when the tumor grew and when my wife started taking Fenbendazole. Please read my post above dated

At the very end of that post (above), I had asked two really important questions concerning Baicalein.  We really need to know the answer to these two questions before my wife can proceed using Baicalein.

For your convenience, here are those two questions again:

Question1: Is Baicalein a product that you may have to cycle down or stop for a few days or is a person supposed to hang in there and keep taking the upper dose (i.e. 1000mg)?

Question2: Does Baicalein have any interactions with other supplements, herbs or meds that my wife should know about?

Warm regards,

GordonH


   
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Posted by: @gordonh

Hi Johan,

Thank you for the link regarding the use of Boswellia.  It is much appreciated.

You asked about the timeline concerning when the tumor grew and when my wife started taking Fenbendazole. Please read my post above dated

 

Hi Gorden,

Could you provide the link to that post dated , I'm unable to see it, nor does your forum activity show the post (see attachment). 

 


   
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Posted by: @gordonh

Hi Johan,

Thank you for the link regarding the use of Boswellia.  It is much appreciated.

You asked about the timeline concerning when the tumor grew and when my wife started taking Fenbendazole. Please read my post above dated

 

Hi Gorden,

Could you provide the link to that post dated , I'm unable to see it, nor does your forum activity show the post (see attachment). 

 

 

Question1: Is Baicalein a product that you may have to cycle down or stop for a few days or is a person supposed to hang in there and keep taking the upper dose (i.e. 1000mg)?

You don't want to be taking any supplement or drug that isn't producing results. Shrinkage of tumors or stable disease at the very least is what you're looking for. 

Question2: Does Baicalein have any interactions with other supplements, herbs, or meds that my wife should know about?

Any drug your wife takes please check if there's an interaction. A simple search e.g. "drug X" + "baicalein" drug interaction, should give you that information.

 


   
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