A Visitor Story: Healing from Stage 4 Prostate Cancer with Fasting

Dear Friends,

I am happy to be able to share with you a very positive story that arrived today from Don, a friend from US who with a strong determination and perseverance is successfully fighting stage 4 prostate cancer.

Don constantly shared with me his results after trying several types of treatments. I was always very positively impressed by the well structured updates he sent me, clarifying exactly the actions he takes and the results he is seeing. While fighting an early form of stage 4 prostate cancer, Don tried several treatments of which the most recent one shows great success reflected in a fast decline of the prostate cancer marker PSA (see the graph below).

I have asked Don if he could write his story so that I  can share it with you all – he kindly accepted and allocated his precious time to write the story below. Thank you, Don!

While the most effective and recent approach he is using to heal from cancer is fasting and juicing, it is interesting to note that he has also tried 3BP and that has shown some clear PSA lowering effects as well. To my knowledge, prior to his best results, Don also switched off the Ketogenic diet which I think should be avoided for “hormonal” cancers such as that of prostate.

I hope you will find this story inspiring! I do find it inspiring as it shows that there is no one-way to fight cancer. There are many approaches that can be potentially effective, and I am glad to have here a direct proof that Fasting is one such a relevant way to fight cancer. And I am very happy for Don, to see his achievements. Just have a look at the first graph below to see how he is pushing down his PSA.

Note that the post below is in its original form – I did not edited the post, as I would like to completely reflect Don’s view and approach. Therefore, this post represents Don’s experience, results and view on how to approach cancer treatment.



“How I Healed from Stage 4 Cancer,
by Don

My History:
In April 2016 my PSA was 18. My doctor referred me to get a biopsy. The result was positive for cancer at Gleason score of 8, later my surgical pathology confirmed it to be Gleason 7. I was advised to have Radical Prostatectomy surgery in October 2016. By October my PSA would have grown to 60 under the 100 day doubling rate. I was told there was a 70% chance of long term remission if I did the surgery. I was told I would be incontinent for 3 months and my ability to have intercourse would be lost for 12 months and should return slowly after that. None of this turned out to be the whole truth, I was worse on every account despite always having been in pretty good shape my whole life. I am also chemically altered by the removal of my prostate as I lack testosterone in my system. I strongly regret the surgery decision.

I was told my surgery went well. After my surgery I was told to do a PSA test at 3 and 6 months, then call my Oncologist surgeon back. If the cancer was removed successfully my total PSA should remain stable at under 0.4. My result was a fast growing cancer (100 day doubling). Even my 3 month result was 0.7, at that point I knew I was in trouble but ignorant about what that meant and still hopeful. When I called my surgeon after my 6 month PSA test he informed me I now had metastatic cancer and there was no cure. When I next met with my GP he shared with me the surgeons post op report and there he noted involvement of the cancer on two of my lymph nodes. Something the surgeon failed to ever tell. He knew my cancer was metastatic the day he operated on me. My cancer was returning and was fast growing. He told me to go see another Oncologist who could perform clean up radiation or perhaps enroll me in a hormone trial to manage the cancer. Hormone therapy was a short term life extending therapy that lasted 18 to 54 months and being a trial it is a crap shoot what arm you get. The average lifespan without hormone therapy was 5 years from diagnosis. This was the day my life changed.

I decided to research the heck out of prostate cancer. I was trained as a quantitative economist, CPA and financial planner specializing in quantitative investments, and now a dinosaur museum owner and manager. I trust in science. I trusted the medical profession to look after my best interest. I wanted to live to at least 85, and given my general health I thought that would not be much of a problem. I had been physically active for most of my life, but in the last 10 years I had packed on some pounds and was less active. For the last two years my energy dropped quite a bit. I attributed it to hitting the wall as I approached 65 and doing less. It was instead cancer sapping my energy. I now became obsessed with researching to find a way to have a 20 year remission with the least side effects possible. 7 days after my surgeon told me I had metastasized cancer my wife informed me we were getting a divorce. I learned from an Oncologist nurse this happens fairly often with cancer. I still cannot understand this decision as I would rally my support and devotion not sever it. Onward and upward she does not have my back I must move on.

I knew chemo and radiation have not so far increased lifespan and result in a lowered quality of life and a significant reduction in your savings account. I watched all this happen to my first wife after we were separated. Under the advanced U.S. medical systems and spending much of her savings she died in less than 5 years. I learned that chemo only offer a 3-5% chance f beating the 5 year life span for metastasized prostate cancer. I learned that surgery, chemo and radiation does a knock down but then it typically metastasizes the cancer so it returns aggressively. Even a biopsy can metastasize your cancer. Prostate cancer is the fifth largest cancer killer in the U.S. 1 out of 2 Americans alive today is expected to have cancer in their lifetime. Only cardiovascular disease kills more people per year than cancer and they are about equal now. Both of these have become very big business. As you will learn both of these are treatable by holistic means that cost very little but those treatments are withheld in order to protect the business of pharmaceuticals and big food. The public believes Prostate Cancer is the good kind of cancer. Only for 70% of us and only if it does not metastasize and show up as another kind of cancer or problem. A ridiculous amount of money has been spent to research the cure for cancer. I learned of other methods to reduce the impact of chemo such as water fasting. Before putting a strong carcinogen into me I need to know the success rate is worth the risk. Right now it is not even close yet it and radiation are the only FDA and AMA approved options. Clearly our political system has been hijacked by big pharma and big food to serve as their business protection arm at the cost to the general public. My faith in the western medical system has been severely disrupted.

I found all the alternative treatment information very confusing. Each time I ran into something that was reported to work I also found articles debunking that approach. I did not know what to think. Early on I still was looking for the silver bullet solution. I placed my hope in finding potential cures in the pipeline offered outside the U.S. In North America the most promising trial for advanced prostate cancer is called The ENTRE Trial and was recommend to me by my GP and new Oncologist. This is a double blind trial with three arms. The weakest option has an expected benefit of 18 months more life; the strongest arm has an estimated average 54 months of life. There are of course side effects to accept. I was not impressed by this option, but what alternative did I have? This became my fallback should I fail to find a cure in time. There were a number of promising drugs I found to knock down cancer, GCMAF, 3-Bromopyruvate (3-BP), Salinomycin and Laetrile stood out. They provide a knockdown that your immune system must be able to complete the battle. Some of these have little effect on you good cells some of them are poisons that effect your tumors more than the rest of your body. It works the same way when you take an antibiotic. It took months to weed through each of these despite spending 4-8 hours a day researching. I still spend several hours each day. I dismissed many alternatives based on scares I found online. After a while I would get more context and come back to them. All the while I had this desperate drive to keep my total PSA numbers low so I had time to find a solution. I found this website and a few others very helpful in understanding cancer and how others had been cured.

To start with I needed to understand how I got my cancer so I could choose the best path for remission or cure and not get it back. Pharmaceutical drugs treat symptoms rather than the underlying cause. They come with side effects. This is acceptable as knockdown medications for degenerative diseases like Type II diabetes, Alzheimer’s, MS are not a cure, but instead a medical prison where you must pay each month. Degenerative diseases are food and lifestyle diseases. You must change those two things for your body to complete the cure and to prevent it from coming back. Drugs are useful for knockdowns the same way antibiotics work. Would you take antibiotics everyday for the rest of your life? All that does is to give temporary help to the immune system to win its war. You must also have your antibody arm in good shape so when the antibiotics shift the balance on the battlefield it can complete its work. Silver bullets are like having the bombers coming in during a battle this will beat down the enemy but it will not wipe the out. The ground troops (your immune system) are the only way to complete a victory in war. If you leave one cell intact from your bombing road (shock and horror) the enemy will regroup and come back stronger.

Prostate and many other kinds of cancer are made up of both solid tumors and cancer stem cells. Cancer is the result of a dysfunction of the mitochondria (billons of energy producing cells everywhere in your body). Typically this is the result of chronic inflammation that results in an unhealthy environment where disease of the mitochondria can set in. It took time to identify the likely cause of my cancer. Doctors who specialize in identifying the cause often blame meat and dairy consumption as the number one thing that leads to cancer today. Toxins like cigarette smoke do as well. I had been on a high animal protein diet for my entire life. I grew up in Singapore where we did not have milk but upon returning to the U.S. at 18 I consumed milk everyday until about 5 years ago. Until recently I regularly consumed modest amounts of cheese products. I have had lifelong nose inflammation I attributed to a growth in my nostrils. The doctors wanted to ream it out. Miraculously after 40 years it went away when I stopped consuming all milk products. It took only 2 weeks after stopping consumption for the symptoms to start dropping despite having been with me for 40 years. I had been taking Tylenol twice daily for 18 years after an accident that broke my lower back, my research of toxins uncovered its number one side effect is to damage the mitochondria. Other things that could have lead to chronic inflammation was excess processed sugar, processed foods and consuming bad oils. Anything that can lead to chronic inflammation inside the body can result in cancer being able to get established. My animal protein intake was the most likely candidate as well as my dairy intake since I had a significant improvement by stopping consuming cheese and yogurt. I learned that we have only enough enzymes to process 220 calories a day (10% of our daily caloric intake) in animal proteins otherwise we store the excess animal fats, as we cannot process them. This leads to inflammation and the storage of toxins. Occasionally exceeding these limits is not an issue, chronic excess is. I was overweight at 225 lbs (the highest weight I had ever been) and the extra fat I was carrying was an inflammatory load to my system. My naturopath doctor told me our Body Mass Index (BMI) was the highest correlated factor to the health of our immune system. My immune system had lost the battle to cancer. Getting my weight down was job one.

In May 2017 I decided to try the baking soda protocol. I learned about it from an amateur YouTube video. It seemed simple, low cost, short and promising. I ordered PH urine strips to monitor myself. I was shocked to learn my urine PH was very acidic at 6.0. Normal was 7.35. At that time my total PSA was only 1.3. I was successful in raising my urine PH to 8.0 and holding it there for 3 days as required. It was very hard to do but did result in the first knockdown of my PSA. This is shown in month 6.8 below. This was a 23% knockdown. I was scared by the online reports that you could damage your kidneys permanently doing this protocol. I repeated it two weeks later but more cautiously. My test at month 7.4 showed no benefit so I never returned to doing this procedure. Later on I learned this was in fact very dangerous to do and without a healthy immune system it would not work. It was for a time offered by some doctors but it is not adopted in Germany as a standard protocol today so that puts it in the not a good idea category in my opinion.

One lesson I learned from changing my diet and doing things like the baking soda protocol was how to do something hard. I told myself do you want to do this and live or do you want to die? I have used this question to myself many times over the last 8 months. There is a lot of discipline required to eat differently than everyone else. Water fasting is a brutal mental process, especially the first 24 hours, the next 48 hours only a little better and then after that it gets somewhat easier as the brain fog clears, but it is still hard mental business.

My new Oncologist told me I could wait until my PSA reached 4.0 before I needed to come back and he would enroll me in the ENTRE trial. This is a hormone treatment that offers you 18 to 54 months more life with mild to moderate side effects. Of course since it is a double blind study with three arms you and your doctor do not know if you get the 18 month, 36 month or the 54 month solution. In the back of my mind I accepted this would give me more time to find a comprehensive long term solution.

I kept running into promising information about long term remission from cancer due to dietary changes. There were also fewer rebuttals to this fact. Still there was not a strong common message that this works. I decided in May to find a doctor who could guide me on the best approach to use. I interviewed two naturopaths and selected the one I thought was more scientific. His program was strict but he promised me by itself my diet would destroy my cancer. On June 1, 2017 I began his program. He informed me about a drug he uses with 100% success in curing cancer, 3-Bromopyruvate. I came back two weeks later to take my first injection. I had a 15 minute appointment that usually took 10 minutes. It took me 8 hours to drive each way to my appointment and I had to stay overnight each time and cross an international border. The drug costs him less than a dollar, the disposables costs another dollar. I paid $150 per injection. Still this was a bargain as many other clinics charge $300 to $500 per IV administration. As promised it knocked down my cancer. At that point after getting my PSA results a week later I felt I was going to be cured. When I came back to see him two weeks later he told that my diet should take over now so he refused to do anymore injections. Alas that was not the case.

The diet he recommends was a highly restricted Ketogenic diet. No animal proteins, no dairy, no alcohol and strict list of plants along with a supplement plan he recommended. I followed this precisely for 5.5 months until November 12, 2017. This program was not easy to follow. My doctor promised me results in 2-3 months. When that did not happen I kept going but started to research other eating plans. I did loose 60 pounds in 5.5 months and got down to 160 pounds, a weight I had not been since college. Other cancer groups like The Truth About Cancer promote the Ketogenic diet so I was reluctant to give it up. I also exercised 3 days a week for 40 minutes each time. Slowly I began to feel better and have more energy. I felt confident my immune system was in better shape. What I know now is that is my immune system was better but not up to the task of taking on the cancer. I now know an immune system will limp along with poor functioning cells for decades unless it gets the weak immune cells removed and replaced by new super healthy ones (that is dependent on what you are giving your body as fuel). Fasting resets your immune system, first by autophagy that with the lack of new material to build cells goes and dismantles unhealthy cells.  This also triggers a stem cell response that upon eating that rebuilds the immune system and other damaged cells that were removed to keep the body going during a period of food depravation which includes brain cells and damaged areas of the body. It is a form of cellular spring cleaning and a rebuilding of your immune system. Getting your weight and inflammation down helps as well. Animals use this when they are sick. Humans have evolved with a natural rhythm of cellular cleaning and replacement. Our modern lifestyle has eliminated that natural process needed for optimum health.

My third knockdown (25%) was at month 8.8. This was likely the result of 3-Bromopyruvate (3-BP) administered by Bolos (direct injection buffered). A bolos injection (medicine into a vein) is much easier and faster to administer but it is not the common protocol. Most clinics, 2 in the US, 1 in Canada and many in Germany offer 3-BP unbuffered through IV administration. That process takes 2 plus hours and my doctor was on the highly profitable 15 minutes per patient program. I had been seeing my doctor regularly. He had trouble injecting me two times after my numbers went back up. My fat arms hid my veins and he was not good at getting a needle into a vein, or so he said. Now with a fit body that is no longer the case. He refused to administer the 3-BP until I got a PICC line, which I agreed to do in mid September. My third knockdown (24%) at month 9.4 was possibly from sound therapy and cranial sacral therapy that helped me reduce stress and who knows, but it worked. This was before I got my second 3-BP injection.

My fourth knockdown came at month 11.7 in the middle of a series of 3-BP injections that so far were not working. I was doing biweekly PSA tests at that time. For some reason this one worked. At that point I switched to weekly PSA testing for the next month while I was in Thailand to try some alternative treatments. In Thailand I did daily 3-BP injections on my own using my PICC line hoping to repeat my success from the week before I left for Thailand. That never happened. For my first 2 weeks in Thailand I just did 3-BP bolos, then for 2 weeks in Thailand I added IV Ozone, IV-Vitamin C and rectal Ozone three times a week. The normal protocol is to take these for 5 weeks. Unfortunately none of these treatments resulted in a knockdown either. My cancer advanced at the 100 day rate (standard doubling rate of cancer) in those two weeks. There should have been some favorable response by two weeks. I concluded after 5.5 months my diet was not slowing the advance of my prostate cancer. It had however helped me loose a lot of weight and I generally felt better.

My research showed that the Gerson dietary program had great results despite not being allowed in the US. I sent the Gerson Tijuana clinic my data for a customized solution in mid September just before my final knockdown gave me hope again on the 3-BP. I researched each and every recommendation they had for my “custom treatment plan”. They offered a one size fits all $33,500 program. I found out that 97% of their patients were late stage 4 patients who had done chemo and radiation and came there as a last ditch effort. Still they reportedly get significantly better results than chemo and radiation. I was still early stage 4 prostate cancer with a PSA of 2.7. I decided their juice and eating plan was the most promising thing they offered and should be enough for me. Max Gerson had scientifically developed his protocol back in the 1950’s and it had worked on thousands of cancer patients and for other degenerative diseases. I was early stage 4 so I figured it would work on me. They did not have Laetrile back then. That was one of the most expensive parts of their program, but it was not offered to me as an option to exclude and save money on. Laetrile was also a cyanide poison that mostly went into your tumors. It provided the knockdown, the food and juicing provided some ability for your immune system to improve. I found a number of areas where they made smoke and mirrors about things and that concerned me. When people do smoke and mirrors my training in the financial services industry is there is reason to investigate further. Where there is smoke there is usually fire. There are some who can do a program perfectly on their own and some who always need support. There is enough business from those who need support. A simple example is with the Norwalk Juicing machine they exclusive recommend and warn against using other machines. Why studies have been done to prove it is no different than alternatives costing 1/4 the price. I get it enzymes are critical and often difficult to separate from he pulp. Advances in equipment have ben made since the early 1960’s when Max Gerson made his conclusion. I went with the setup costing 1/4 the price. Now I have gone to a centrifuge machine that is faster and easier to use. I also use the Peoples Press, this combination gets just as good a result (and just as good enzyme extraction) and is 1/5 the price, much faster to use and easier to clean up. As they say the best juicer is the one you use.

What is Cancer?
It is your body telling you that you are living in a way that is killing you. Right now it is cancer but it could be any other degenerative disease they all work the same way. Curing one cures them all. Some are more resilient.

You have a choice! 
If you want to not die you need to change your life. With a capital C.
There are three aspects that can initiate and promote your cancer.

1. Nutrition – You need to change neither what you eat so that you are not initiating nor promoting cancer.  You must feed your body high density nutritious foods that have vitamins, minerals and enzymes in the right balance without also feeding yourself more toxins.

2. Stress – You need to remove those things that are causing you stress. You must adapt a new way of living that does not result in sustained stress. You need to reform the way you react to situations you cannot avoid to reduce your stress.

3. Toxins – You need to remove and stop feeding or exposing yourself to toxins that are affecting your health.

Since cancer was a disease of the mitochondria juicing made a lot of since. It offered the body a low energy approach to high quality vitamins, minerals and enzymes with very little energy used on digestion. The leaves the body with more time for healing. The carrot, beet, apple and celery juice was their main juice. I was mildly alkaline. Their green juice was also alkaline. Fruit juice not so much. Orange juice is acidic but when processed by the body it has an alkaline effect, got to love citrus. The juicing plan has shown to heal people from cancer all by itself without the dietary restrictions. You also need a strong immune system to attack the tumors when you stress the tumors on an alkaline diet. I thought my weight loss had done that. I was wrong.

Coffee Enema
I started doing coffee enemas once a day when I started the Gerson eating plan in mid November 2018. When I am fasting I do them twice a day. This is far more effective than other enemas estimates are 5X more effective. It was discovered in World War I to relief pain when they ran out of morphine. I also use it for pain relief; it is mild in its pain relief. It is unpleasant to do and challenging to learn. I am better at it after two months. I still do not look forward to doing it, but I do it. When you fast your body wants to expel toxins as part of autophagy. I have broken out with rashes both times I fasted. The second time a lot less. It is important to do coffee enemas when fasting. Max Gerson thinks it is important when your body has cancer period. I accept that.

In mid September I left for 4 weeks to go to China and Thailand. I knew that stress produces a hormonal called cortisol that damages the immune system, causes weight gain and a host of other maladies. I have been working to reduce my stress levels. Part of that stress is worrying about cancer. I decided in early November to try Gerson’s diet and relax about my cancer. I would take the next two months and focus on the Gerson approach and only test monthly. I also planned a trip to Hawaii then a trip skiing in Utah where my entire day was dedicated to my health. Fortunately I have 5 months off a year and so this year I made that my time for a full assault on my healing. Since there was a not a simple reliable program to follow a lot of my time is sent researching. I could have easily done the healing while working now that I have the basic program worked out. Stress is the wild card in that statement especially if your work is a major stress generator.

I began the Gerson juicing and eating plan at month 12.7. In researching Gerson and juicing I came to appreciate that juicing and fasting produced similar results, but fasting was able to clean and rebuild your immune system and it worked faster. So on November 30 I did a 3 day water fast and then a 11 day juice fast. At month 13.7 my PSA test result was incredible I had knocked down my cancer by 40%! For the next two weeks I just did the Gerson juicing and eating plan. Again my result was a 38% knockdown in only 2 weeks. This confirmed my month 13.7 result was no fluke. What I needed to do was to understand why! To do that I combed through my data and kept thinking it through. I had designed this combination out of what I was learning. Later I found clinics in Germany that follow this protocol. I found clinics in the U.S. that do one or the other but not both. Dr. Longo from USC is about to change all this in the U.S. His ground breaking research has come up with a new superior fasting plan and he and his team have completed many tests proving the benefits of fasting on degenerative ideas and adding ins main goal of life extension. His scientific discoveries could lead to a Nobel Prize because this is such important work for humanity. So far he has been willing to serve both masters, humanity (through life extension research) and bug pharma by improving how their drugs work within a complex biological system (our bodies).

I had an accident 18 years ago that severely damaged my lower back. I had been taking Tylenol twice a day for 18 years. I learned that Tylenol’s biggest side effect is to interfere with your mitochondria. I stopped taking Tylenol two times on this journey. I switched from Tylenol to aspirin from Month 8.0 to 11.1. I went back to Tylenol at that point as it was reported to help 3-BP. I stopped taking Tylenol at week 12.5 and did not replace it with anything. It has been difficult not to have a pain reduction pill. To alleviate my back pain I turned to a chiropractor that specializes in helping cancer patients. His examination of my condition resulted in his promising he can get me out of pain and significantly improve my spine posture. His program will take me 30 days with 3 adjustments 5 days a week. I found Dr. John Bergman watching his YouTube videos on cancer. Now that I am going to live longer I need to get rid of the pain in my back.

My standard diet was high in animal proteins for many years. That elevates your EFG-1 levels, which promotes cancer. I had exceeded the 10% daily threshold for animal proteins by a large factor for most of my adult life. I was also well above the 20% level. I was filling my body with what I thought was better fuel because I could afford those fuels. I had allergies and inflammation from dairy I only learned about when I went on my doctor’s restricted ketogenic diet. I clearly had been eating a high risk diet that created inflammation and the opportunity for cancer to get established (raised EGF-1 levels) and to promote its growth. The restricted ketogenic diet I was on for the first 5.5 months surprisingly did not slow down my cancer’s growth rate. With a plant based diet one would have expected that result.

The Gerson diet changed my urine PH from being stuck at 6.0-6.2 and brought it up to 7.35 and occasionally higher. Fasting and my new diet increased my urine PH to 8.0 during my first knockdown and it has stayed steady at 7.35 to 7.5 ever since. It is not clear if the raise in my PH was a direct result of a dietary change or if it was a result of a change in my cancer toxic output as it was slowed down. I assume the later because cancer is a disease of the mitochondria, but I am not sure. I was also feeling better and my energy now last all day long again. It looks like water fasting, juice fasting and the fast mimicking diet rebooted my immune system so it was strong enough to attack the cancer. With cancer on the run my energy is back. Fasting in my opinion was a trigger for the fast change. Fasting protects your healthy cells while exposing your cancer cells. With a rebooted immune system I could do some serious tumor cleanup. Fasting also knocks down your IGF-1 levels, which slows down your cancer.

Don Total PSA 

Here is what my PSA chart looks like compared to having done nothing to slow down my cancer. As you can see I would have been in a Hormone therapy program 10 to 11 months out from surgery. My life would have lasted 6.5 to 9.5 years on average depending on which arm of the ENTRE study I got into. I would have been a victim of cancer



How I Healed from my Prostate Cancer:
The Warburg effect states that cancer cannot survive in an alkaline environment. My urine PH had been 6.0 to 6.2 from Month 6.8. That is when I started measuring it. Despite eating a restricted ketogenic whole food plant based diet in Month 7.4 until Month 12.7 my Urine PH remained at 6.0-6.2 most of the time. This was indicative that my cancer was having its way. My knockdown at week 11.7 happened at a time when my urine PH was 6.2, this supports my assumption that urine PH follows rather than leads a change in the cancer. From month 12.7 to 14.3 my diet was changed to Gerson juicing and Gerson foods. My urine PH jumped up in short order to 7.35-8.0. Clearly fasting and juicing caused my urine PH to become alkaline. I believe this is very important. For me the Gerson juicing diet was more successful. I waited 5.5 months to make my change. I still wonder if the restricted food list on Gerson is correct. My gut says that their juicing program is the main driver of mitochondrial improvement. Then a healthy plant based diet low on toxins and in the right overall balance with one solid meal a day is the right approach. In my gut I just do not see the reason to exclude avocados and the like. I can see staying away from foods that can be acidic in the body, but that is it.

One of the main things that made a difference in knocking my cancer down was starting my dietary change off with a fast. I made this decision after listening to Don and Tyler Tolman on YouTube. Later one of my sisters turned me onto the video “The Science of Fasting”. It can be found on Amazon Prime Videos and Zulu. The fasting I did made the cancer cells vulnerable by reversing their protection (weakening their protein layer). Second it boosted my immune system. Third it turned my body more alkaline. All of these things are toxic to cancer cells. Dr. Longo’s (USC longevity expert) human testing shows all three happen only 48 hours into water fast. I am curious when it happens on his Fast Mimicking Diet you will learn about below. Fourth, it turns on Autophagy a cellular cleanup mechanism that goes after damaged cells, which will include cancer cells if the body can detect them as weak.

My middle sister uses juice fasting to heal, and as a cleanse to loose weight. She has been doing this for 40 years. She finds water fasting too hard as do many.

A friend I made in San Francisco told me about his fasting program. He does two days of normal eating and one day of water fasting. He does this all year long. His dual purpose is to loose weight and keep his mind sharp. He is after the stem cell benefits from fasting, which are used first by the mind. This seems like a lot of pain for that result. Maybe it gets easier over time. I am not willing to try this as I think there are better intermittent fasting plans.

Movie: The Science of Fasting (56 minutes) explains why fasting works. I provide an executive summary of some of the highlights below.

Juice fasting is a safe alternative to water fasting. Here is a research study found in PubMed https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12624474 that supports it works but slower. Tyler Tolman claims juice fasting is half as effective as water fasting. The curezone.org blog on water fasting claims juice fasting is takes 3 times as long. A juice clinic in Portugal uses a 27 day juice fast for the full results. It depends what your needs are as to which approach to use. My 3 day water fast and 11 day juice fast certainly kicked my cancer’s butt. That is an equivalent to a 20 day juice fast.

Is water fasting safe?
Generally speaking yes, but it would only be done under doctor’s supervision and approval. I did it alone for 3 days, as there is general consensus support that if you stay home for those 3 days and get up slow from rest it is generally safe to do at home for this length of time. The human body and all animal bodies are made to first use glucose stored in the liver for energy then to use protein and fats for making glucose. Our glucose stores in our liver are used up in 24 hours unless we eat. The second place our bodies go for glucose is from fat. A healthy human can water fast for 40 days on their fat until we reach the 80% of fat consumption level which triggers the body to start using up proteins found in muscles and bones to make glucose. Animals like Penguins can go 104 days on their fat stores until they reach the 80% of fat consumption level. They do not walk or exercise in this state until it is time to go back to sea and that is long and arduous journey. This second phase is not a good phase and the body must quickly find food and later rebuild the muscle. Penguins for example must eat within 30 more days. They do this every year and live a long and extraordinary life. All animals on earth are genetically programmed to eat this way including humans. Our good non mutated cells all go into protection mode within 48 hours due to what is believed to be a genetic coded response to food depravation. We developed this trait for survival in our past. Like in economics (my area of expertise) a recession is good for house cleaning, so too is fasting good for cellular cleaning, immune system cleaning and regeneration, stem cell generation which fixes and repairs damaged areas of the body. The mutated cells in our body get cleaned up as they do not go into protective mode and our bodies remove damaged cells including mutated cells like cancer cells under the right conditions. Systems need periodic maintenance. Our current food abundance no longer provides for that periodic cellular tune up. It is recommended that at least annually we should fast. Intermittent fasting is found in many religions and is still practiced today. Muslims do Ramadan; no eating is allowed during daylight hours for the month of August. This is essentially an 8-10 hour fast with only water allowed during the daytime. Around a billion Muslims do this fast every year without a problem. So can you. A water fast will cause dizziness when you get up in the morning; you need to do that slowly. I learned the hard way and ended up on the floor. Water fasting also creates brain fog the first 3 days. Driving is more risky in the first 3 days of a water fast.

The body’s reaction to a fast and the benefits of fasting in general (Source: Dr. Longo):
1. Improvement and rejuvenation of the immune system.
2. Purging of precancerous or cancerous cells
3. Activation of Autophagy
4. Decreased fat tissue through ketosis
5. Reduction of C-reactive protein and decrease in oxidative stress
6. Increased gene expression to promote longevity
7. Increase of brain derived neurotropic factor (BDNF), which helps support survival and growth of new brain neurons and better mental health
8. Improvement in fating glucose, regenerative markers, and healthy stem cell levels
Note: Currently there are no drugs that get you this kind of benefit!

Movie: The Science of Fasting – Significant Facts:

Fasting was found to help the following conditions:
Bronchial Disorders
Cardiovascular Disorders
Intestinal Disorders
Endocrine Disorders
Digestive Disorders
Bone & Joint Disorders (including arthritis)

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Our bodies have three sources to make glucose. Our liver stores 24 hours worth of glucose. Our brain uses 40% of our glucose. After 24 hours our bodies convert to using mostly fats (Lipids) to make Glucose. In this state we have a diminished need to eat. After 40 days a healthy human will begin using up muscle and bone mass for fuel. Healthy humans can live 20 more days on water. A penguin and rat can water fast for up to 134 days.  A longevity researcher from USC (Dr. Valter Longo) knew about the longevity benefits of calorie restriction and decided to do an extreme version of calorie restriction tests.

Next step was to see if the same results would hold for humans. It did. For experimental purposes the rats received chemo at 3X the dose given to humans.

These are the self reported side effect for the humans who did water fasting and for the control group in a study conducted by the group in the paper above. The dark filled bar is the control group using standard prescribed practice before chemo of increasing calorie intake. The open bar is the fasting group’s results. A lower bar is a better result. Hair loss was not significantly protected for the fasting group. As you can see it was not perfect in protecting healthy cells but it made a significant difference. As Dr. Longo pointed out – he challenged the drug companies to produce a better result with any cocktail of their drugs. So far they have not come close. No pharmaceutical company can make money on this approach, so it is up to the administrating hospitals and physicians, or in the case of the U.S. the attorneys for families who have suffered from incompetent medical practices. The bottom line is this approach makes chemo more effective and it reducers the side effects. Hello! Dr. Longo has developed a fast mimicking diet that is much easier for humans to do than a water fast and works a little faster and is a little easier than a juice fast. A better mouse trap if you will, designed by experimenting on rats.
Here is WHY fasting works to destroy cancer.
They took three cells one from the liver, heart and lung before waster fasting. They all showed normal function pre fasting.

Here are cells from the same liver, heart and lung after 48 hours of water fasting. The red area denotes a protective layer of protein on healthy cells. This action was so fast that researchers concluded it is a genetically coded response. It is a survival mechanism our bodies and the bodies of animals have developed in order to survive periods of food deprivation (before agriculture and well before supermarkets). This same result is found in all animals tested.

One of the important benefits of food deprivation is that our white blood cells are cleaned up. The inefficient ones are destroyed or repaired by autophagy and the cellular material recycled. It appears that from a food fast the strongest stem cells are called into action to rebuild our bodies. The brain cells are the first to be rebuilt. Next is the immune system. The body rebuilds cells anywhere it scavenged weak or damaged cells to carryon the body’s maintenance during the fast. This is a great way to clean up arthritis and any other degenerative disease like cancer.

Fasting as seen in the chart below is protecting clearly healthy cells.


How about cancer cells – are they also protected in a fast?
No and this is really good news.
After 48 hours the normal cells show the protective layer on the outside (red). Cancer cells because they mutated they lost the genetic memory to this stress event and actually do the opposite and become more vulnerable. Thus fasting exposes rather than protects cancer cells. Stop the Press this is Great News! Fasting after Chemo has also shown to restore the immune system in a reboot. It too should be standard practice with chemo treatment. Perhaps it should be the first thing someone does to eliminate their cancer when it is in the early stages.

Basic Types:
1. Water Fasting – most effective takes the least amount of time. Hard for many to do.
2. Fast Mimicking Diet – Developed by Dr. Longo of USC. 5 days of this equals 3 days of water fasting. There also is a 4 days equal 3 days of water fasting protocol. This is for most people the easiest and fastest way to fast and get the regenerative benefits of fasting.
3. Juice Fasting – 32 ounces of juice a day. Reportedly takes 3X as long as a water fast for the same result.
4. Restricted Eating Window Fasting – Restriction of time each day for eating. Does restrict your energy. Studies also show when done continuously time without food 12 hours is preferred and do not skip breakfast. Longer fasting is worst not better when doing this continuously long term.

All fasting will get you similar benefits. Some are harder to do and some take longer, that is the typical tradeoff.

Fasting is known to provide fast efficient and long lasting cures for degenerative diseases. It is not covered by insurance, as they do not pay for preventative care. Even not covered for cancer care, yet nothing does as much for c. cure than this. Only way it will be covered is as part of a chemo protocol.

You get dizzy and have brain fog in the early days of water fasting. Food only programs like Gerson get many of the same benefits as fasting except so some critical ones like autophagy. The other things it does slowly and in a milder form and you will get similar results but it takes months or years.

Russian doctors developed the 12 day water fast over the last 40 years as the gold standard when there are serious issues to resolve. It is the fastest way to get big results. It can be difficult to do and requires doctor supervision. This is standard practice at health clinics in Germany and Russia. The first Russian clinic has treated more than 40,000 patients for more than 40 years safely using water fasts.

Russian fasting clinics have found it helpful to allow 2 cups (4 0z) a day for the first 3 days of a water fast to reduce the acidosis effect of a water fast. I tried and it helped. Water fasting is difficult but it also takes the least time. I am gong to keep working on it to get mentally adjusted to it over time. They say the earlier in life you learn to do this the easier it is to do.

A 2 day water fast has shown to get the body into a state of advanced healing where the chromosomes go into protective mode, tumor cells expose themselves as damaged cells to the immune system, autophagy starts and the immune system is boosted. If you need to heal this is the minimum. I can do this amount but it is really tough. Both 2 and 3 day water fasts have been shown to be safe at home on your own. It is best not to exercise except mild walking and to avoid driving and get up slowly each time. Anything longer should be done under doctor supervision. Doing this on a weekend when you do not need to drive yourself anywhere is the best approach.

A 3 day water fast or a 4 or 5 day Fast Mimicking Diet is being used as a standard pre and post chemotherapy treatment. It may also be a good standard for once a month for 3 months therapy for your sick body (that is what I a doing). If your Oncologist is not using a fast of some kind suggest it. If he/she refuses and you are not bed ridden change your Oncologist, he/she is hazardous to your health. The data is clear, the benefits are remarkable, the side affects all positive, and there are peer reviewed studies supporting this works. The Oncologists are under the control of old ways and fear of straying from the pack. They will not loose their precious money from selling you chemo drugs (this is the only drug your doctor can sell you directly – because it does not work and they are using a strong carcinogen to treat cancer – makes no sense as it does not extend life and makes the quality of your life worse). If you choose to do chemo the Fast Mimicking Diet should be part of the protocol. Your immune system will be severely compromised by the chemo as this will help to reset it. It will also expose your tumors to the chemo more. Personally I would not do chemo no matter what today until it gets better results (much better than 3-5%) and has much less side effects. The exception would be for Insulin Potentiate Low Dose chemo (IPLD) if it worked on my kind of caner (it does not work on prostate cancer). I would follow Dr. Longo’s prescribed pre and post treatment fast programs. The 4 day fat mimicking diet was developed to fit into several chemo protocols.

Because water fasting is so psychologically difficult to do on your own alternatives have come along that work well but take longer. Dr. Longo reports 70% of the people with cancer and lots of motivation refuses to do a water fast despite the benefits. I get that. The support of a clinic helps many in the process. Many more will never submit themselves to the clinic. Thus the Fast Mimicking Diet.

Breaking a Fast:
This is critical. When you break a fast the food you input is used to complete your cellular repair and regeneration. Your are building brain cells and immune cells first, you need good high quality low taxing foods. That is best found from the three main kinds of juicing (Carrots and friends, green juice, and fruit juice). Initially you want as little pulp as possible. For a breaking a juice fast you will want organic vegetables with high nutrient values that are easy to digest. As you introduce more solid foods you need to use the same gradual approach.

Juice Fasting:
Estimates are that juice fasting takes 3 times as long as water fasting to get the same result. Juice fasting is easier to do than a water fast. It is still calorie restriction and not as mentally satisfying to me as the Fast Mimicking Diet were you eat a small amount of solid foods. Studies on rats show it does work but takes longer than water fasting. My sister’s juice fast consists of two 16 ounce glasses of juice daily. One is a green juice the other a carrot blend. If you need more to stay in the game do it. Make sure to strain your juice with a fine strainer to get most of the pulp out.

Time Restricted Eating Fast:
This too has shown to produce good health results. I have not seen any studies on this to know if EFG-2 levels are reduced. Nor have I seen data comparing 4 vs. 6 vs. 8 vs. 12 hour eating windows.
1. Restricted time window to eat 4 to 12 hours a day, 8 hour window is most common.
2. The 5/2 program where you eat normally for 5 days a week then water fast 2 days a week for 18 hours. This is easy to adapt into your lifestyle. I am not sure if only doing it two days will help cancer as it takes 48 hours for your good cells to go into protective mode and for your cancer cells to give up their protective mode. Perhaps repeated cycles make a difference.

Fast Mimicking Diet (FMD):
Dr. Longo is a world leading expert on longevity from USC and has done extensive testing with rats. He developed a Fast Mimicking Diet which may be the best alternative to water fasting. It is quick and easy for humans to do. It takes a little longer (5 days instead of 3). Optimum results are obtained by doing 3 monthly cycles of the 5 days of FMD once each year. The 5 day FMD is restricted to 1,100 calories in a specific ratio that is 44% from fats, 47% from carbohydrates and 9% from proteins. Day 2-5 is restricted to 800 calories. There are a number of food choices to do this. Dr. Longo now recommends dong this with different food choices each time if you are doing this with chemo to avoid associating these foods with the chemo. One simple method I use is two large Haas, or three small Haas a day meets the 800 calorie requirement and perfectly matches the ratio. It is also recommended to drink one glass of greens powder and take one multi vitamin with each meal. I instead made a cup of fresh green juice rather than the greens powder (I juice broccoli, lettuce, Brussels sprouts, celery and asparagus). The greens are for minerals, vitamins and phytochemicals. Your body uses this fat instead of fat from your body so it still thinks you are in food deprivation. This food will support some cellular replacement so do not overdo it. Dr. Longo has a book called The Longevity Diet.

How Often to Fast?
Dr. Longo has two different recommendations.
For degenerative disease repair do monthly preferred, quarterly at a minimum.

For longevity semi annual preferred.

The Fast Mimicking Diet offers the easiest fast to do repeatedly.

Recap – How to Heal from Cancer:

Problem Reminder: You are living in a way that is killing you.
Cancer’s Gift: 
Many people report and I feel the same that cancer has been a gift. It was a resounding wake up call to clean up my life. It required I learn nutrition. I required I examine what was not working in my life. My journey to health is a gift. The consequences of failing to make all the changes needed are fatal. Still when I win I get more than removing cancer from my body I will have cleaned up those things that were not working to support my long term health. My time to take care of myself has taught me much. I have also reflected on how to spend my retirement years. I will have learned how to properly provide nutrition. I will have learned how to keep my body in optimum health for longevity. I will live a much healthier and happy life on the back side of tis journey to repair my body. I also no longer fear that Alzheimer’s will take over my mind as I get older and debilitate my life.
A. Rebuild your Immune system
B. Provide a healthy environment for your mitochondria
C. Stress out the tumors and attack the tumors and tumor stem cells
D. Oxygenate the body
E. Detox your body

What Must Change:
1. Nutrition – You must eat a high nutrition density whole food plant based diet as 100% of your diet. Juicing is essential not optional. 64 ounces a day is the minimum, 104 ounces a day is for the early phase to kick start the body in the right direction.
2. Stress – You must remove stress from your life to heal from cancer. Some things like a toxic relationship need to go. All the things that are stressing you out can wait you must heal first. You need to learn to react in new ways to the things that are stressing you out today this takes productive training.
3. Toxins – You must detox your body as part of your healing from cancer. You must stop putting toxins into your body. You need to find out if you have amalgam fillings in your mouth.

Healing Plan – Changes Required:
1. Use the Gerson juicing and dietary food program. Get a juicer. The two I like are the Breville JE98XL Juice Fountain Plus (easier and faster $145 USD), Champion Household Juicer 4000 ($325 USD). If you have cancer you should also use a People’s Press juice presser ($325 USD). It gets you more enzymes, which you need early on to rebuild your mitochondria. It also gets me more juice 10-25%, but it takes time to use and clean and space for preparation and for me that extra time an work is not worth the 10% more juice but it is worth the extra enzymes. Use organic vegetables especially with carrots and beets. Stay on this diet for 6 months after your cancer is gone.
2. Learn to do a coffee enema at least once every day to remove toxins. Start right away and do not start a Fast until you can reliably do this.
3. After two weeks do a Fast Mimicking Diet for 5 days then a Juice Fast for 9 days, longer is fine. Repeat the FMD every month until your numbers indicate your cancer is gone, then repeat semi annually.
4. Supplements. There are a variety of programs. Find one you trust. My core program today includes B12, Vitamin D3, Vitality C, Multi Vitamin, Essiac tea, turmeric, garlic (#1 against cancer cells), onions, and dried ginger powder.
5. Reduce your life stress. You need to heal more than you need to pressure yourself to participate in stressful situations, they can wait.
6. Test your urine PH regularly and keep a log.
7. Reduce your toxin intake.
8. Get your weight moving toward an optimal level. 10 pounds weight loss a month should be your goal, or 2.5 lbs. a week.
9. Get some sunshine at least 3 days a week
10. Exercise 30 minutes at least 3 times a week.
11. Fast once monthly until cancer or other degenerative disease is gone. Semi annually after that.

Maintenance Plan to stay in good health:
1. Continue to juice at last 8 ounces a day
2. Dr. Longo recommends a 60% carbohydrate, 30% fat, 10% protein for the best human longevity. This is a scientifically tested diet. Carbohydrates are not made up from sugar and bread. Instead they should come mostly from plant based whole foods like vegetables, fruits and legumes. No milk products, animal proteins should be limited to 200 calories a day with occasional excess permitted, no processed sugar or synthetic sugar, no processed foods, only use good oils like flax seed oil or quality olive oil. You should eat this way 85% of the time. Some treats are allowed, just not a daily diet of them and not at the level often consumed today in the West. When I grew up in Singapore this was the typical Asian diet, lots of rice some vegetable and a little meat. Now it has changed by looking more like a western diet with lots more animal proteins and so has the rate of cancer and heart disease. Avoid excess sugar and milk products (some cheese and yogurt is acceptable if you do not have an allergy after you are cured); avoid most bottles, cans and boxed foods.
3. Fast semi annually
4. Do some weekly exercise
5. Get some sunshine
6. Manage your stress by changing how you react to things that stress you out. Toxic relationships have to go. It could be you that is toxic to the relationship.”

March 2nd, 2018: Update from Don on PSA evolution:

Here is the comment from Don that came with this update: https://www.cancertreatmentsresearch.com/a-visitor-story-healing-from-stage-4-prostate-cancer-with-fasting-and-juicing/comment-page-1/#comment-6997

April 19th, 2018: Update from Don on PSA evolution:

Here is the comment from Don that came with this update: https://www.cancertreatmentsresearch.com/a-visitor-story-healing-from-stage-4-prostate-cancer-with-fasting-and-juicing/#comment-7231


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133 thoughts on “A Visitor Story: Healing from Stage 4 Prostate Cancer with Fasting

  1. With all due respect, after a quick read. I saw with my own eyes people eaten to the bone and then some, by cancer, they were not eating for a long long time, yet cancer continued to proliferate just fine “at standard warp speed”. Some people are “lucky” others, not at all.

    1. Alex, no body said this is THE solution to cancer for everyone.
      Everyone has it’s own potential way to success, whatever that means: life extension with weeks, months, years …

      The point is in understanding as good as we can what we are doing, studding carefully (as the man above is constantly doing), applying, checking the outcome. If good, go forward, if not change.

      Maybe Don was more lucky than others to respond to the methods he used. But if you think carefully you will understand the value. There is a strong correlation between the actions and the outcome. That happened several times not one time.

    2. There may be a point as one moves deeper into catchexia, where fasting loses its value, but there is plenty of research showing the value of fasting during chemo and radiation for improved outcome, as well as calorie restriction improving cancer outcome. My husband does a water fast 3 days a month as part of our strategy. .

      1. Don, thank you very much for sharing your story.
        I am especially interested in your experience with 3-BP.
        Could you give us your impressions of 3-BP as a cancer therapy?

        In your PSA chart above you have knockdowns at months 5.9, 8.1, 8.9, 11.5, 13.7, and 14.3.
        In your writeup you mentioned roughly 3 3-BP knockdowns at months 8.9,11.5 and some other time.
        Could you confirm the timing of these knockdowns and the times when you were taking 3-BP without notable success?

        Were the 3-BP clinics that you visited those that are known to us or were these “other” 3-BP clinics?
        We are aware of 2 officially named 3-BP clinics in the US, 1 in Canada and 1 in Thailand.
        Did you visit clinics outside of the usual list?

        I would love to know what the basis of the 100% 3-BP prostate cancer cure was from the first doctor who treated you.
        It seems that 3-BP has spread into clinics even more than I had expected.

        My recent interest has been with Duration dosing.
        If you want to deplete the energy of cancer cells, then a good strategy would be to increase duration over dose.
        The vitamin C results from the 1970s from Scotland and the more recent Singapore results highlight this idea.
        Did you ever try extended duration dosing of Vitamin C?
        A 15 minute dosing of 3-BP seems too short; would have also liked to have seen it as liposomal.

        Have you considered these treatments?

        -PMID: 28303694 Lu177 PSMA
        -PMID: 18392145 Apatone
        -PMID: 27132038 Zinc Link
        (Prostate cancer has a notably disrupted metabolism)
        -http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/26/prostate-cancer-treatment-could-cure-men-no-hope/ IMRT

        Best Wishes, J

        1. The only two times did 3BP work for me. Month 8.9 and 11.5. I cannot nail down why it work then and not the many other times. As Daniel pointed out to me the unbuffered administration I and my doctor were doing was not the standard protocol. IV administration unbuffered was what I should have been doing and had planned to go back to in the spring. I had lost my PIC line so I tried a new dietary change, juicing and fasting.

          1. Don, you have done a great job at managing your illness and many others on the forum will learn important lessons from your experience. Thank you for sharing this knowledge.

            There are several reasons for why 3-BP could work for you initially and then not later. For example, the susceptible cells would respond early in the treatment and then the resistant ones would be selected for, if the tumor environment changed from acidic to alkaline, and 3-BP can knock down MCT-1 levels etc.. I am glad that you were able to cycle through to another treatment when
            you were not getting the results that you hoped for.

            I would love to see how you would respond to intense iv Vitamin C treatment. D below describes how such treatment is not in the financial interests of clinics, though as a financial professional, I am sure you would be more concerned with what is in your best interests and not the clinics.

            You also mentioned traveling to China and other Asian nations. I would like to know what treatments might be sourced there. For example, there was a recent Chinese liposomal 3-BP article. Given Chinese law, would they allow people
            to access such formulations? Which is to say does China have Right to Try? I have been wondering lately about the pharamaceutical grade 3-BP that is being offered online from China. Is there really a market for kilogram scale shipments of this quality of 3-BP? If so, where might these clinics be located?

            I would also be interested in the availability of minicells. Minicells are probably the top cancer treatment that I have found with the publication of endotoxin free minicells, I would expect that we could see large responses.

            1. Hi J, we just have to be careful with disclosing names of clinics using such treatments as they may not want to be known due to the sensitivity of these subjects (as you know). This could be discussed in private with Don or others. Kind regards, Daniel

          2. hi Donc,

            thanks for sharing your story. I think prostate cancer is somewhat special as hormones play a big role (just like in some of the breast cancer types for instance). And your changes re diet, lifestyle strongly influence your hormones.

            Many sources state that Paracetamol can make 3-bp resistant cells react again. Meaning you could achieve longer remissions with 3-bp plus paracetamol ..

            Have you tried this?


            1. As reported in my story using the trade name Tylenol I did become aware of this effect and returned to daily use of Tylenol in September. This did not make the 3-BP react again. In early November I stopped taking Tylenol after 18 years to block my back pain. I did that because I learned one of the side effects of Tylenol is to damage the mitochondria. I am today enrolled in a series of 60 chiropractic treatments to deal with my back problem without pain medications.

        2. Hi J,

          In a way that is what they were doing with Phlorizin (the patent referenced in my post), i.e. long term administration of Phlorizin. Same is with Taurolidine (another post I wrote sometime ago). The only drawback with these long term treatments is that it is against what most clinics like to do – that is treat patient as fast as possible, so they can get the next one inline …

          Kind regards,

          1. D, yes I can see that the duration dosing would not be great for clinics, though for patients like Don it would seem like such a good thing to try. His writeup talked about doing iv Vitamin C, so why not try the protocol that has shown success (e.g., the Singapore results PMID: 26679971)? I would tend to expect that 3 day a week dosing with iv Vitamin C would not do much. I would love to see him startup a high dose multi-hour per day dosing protocol with iv Vitamin C for at least 2 weeks and see what happened. He could take it slow to watch out for G6PD and TLS and then build up. He might even consider the Vitamin C vitamin K3 combo that was found highly successful in a clinical trial.

            D, I have also been wondering about how 3-BP is delivered in clinics. A new 3-BP patent has just been published with the Prescience Group and it is back to their liposomal 3-BP and how this is a better formulation than free 3-BP. Do you think that Dayspring is using a liposomal formulation? The patent talks of how this would reduce side effects and increase efficacy.

            Also with Don, do you think that his going alkaline could now block out the effectiveness of 3-BP. We talked a lot about the need for an acidic environment for 3-BP to be effective. I am also thinking about how it is not really surprising that the first dose and another early dose would be effective as there would be a subset of cancer cells that would likely be suspectible at the start, though resistance could then appear. Don did fairly well in switching gears as this happened. My suggestion though would be not
            to now discount 3-BP in the future. As the tumor environment evolves, especially if acidification etc. were to reemerge then 3-BP would be a good one to reconsider.

            1. Hi J,

              I agree that long term Vit C may be relevant but if I would be Don, I would just continue with what he is doing since that shows results and not change to other treatments that may negatively affect the current positive state of his body. I haven’t seen the patent yet. I believe, Dayspring is not using Prescience version but dr. Ko’s approach. I think it is possible that 3BP worked sometimes and sometimes not, due to it’s dependence on MCT1. Actually, this is to be expected based on our previous developed knowledge. After killing the oxidative cancer cells, it takes time for other cancer cells with MCT1 to build up (either to switch from glyco to oxidative state and upregulate MCT1, or simply grow new cells with oxidative capabilities that like eating pyruvate and thus sensitive to 3BP). If this is the case, 3BP should work again after some time.
              I am glad you realize the magnitude of Don’s graph on PSA and correlation with 3BP shuts. It is similar to what I experienced with my wife, pushing down markers when using 3BP. It’s a clear sign of effectiveness. Yes, it may not be killing totally the tumor due to its MCT1 selectivity, but you know, a small pharma company needs to invest >1 billion $ during >10 years to even get a little of such effects from a drug.
              Imagine how much these effects can be improved when better controlled, with e.g. POH formulation, lipo formulation or other new formulations.

              Kind regards,

            2. D, thank you for pointing out that it is usually best to stick with what is working for you.
              That is very good advice.

              There is a certain amount of crossing your fingers with cancer.
              This would be a great time for him to become aware of other strategies for future reference.
              Long duration iv Vitamin c would be a great one to have on such a list.

    3. There is a continuum to cancer and to improving the mitochondria from the inside out. Food is on one end, followed by strained juicing, followed by fasting. Within each of those is also a continuum and some important dos and don’ts. Sometimes the mitochondria can be rescued easily, sometimes it is more difficult. Sometimes it takes a long journey and sometimes that journey happens quickly. There are other factors at work such as toxins, inflammation, excess weight, and stress. I know for certain luck is not one of the elements that we need in order to have the cure we seek from our cancer. I was early stage still when I found something that worked for me. Thus I had less to over come. My success was not a result of luck. I know you were just expressing your frustration about how hard it is to win against cancer. I have been there as well with countless disappointments in my short journey. Figuring out why something works takes time. It also takes a scientific approach, discipline and openness. We must embrace each thing that works and understand why it worked and how it worked. Within each success maybe a nugget that leads to a whole new understanding critical in the bigger battle. I think what Dr. Longo figured out about fasting and how it affects the body after 48 to 72 hours is just such an event. I found it on my own, Dr. Longo’s work explained to me the why after I got my results this time after so many setbacks. There are details and nuances to be worked out surrounding each aspect of the path I took. I appreciate the work of this community Daniel assembled. I also understand I am out in left field with this group but I trust in the openness shown to me by Daniel and his desire to share my successful path.

      1. Don, your story is so timely. Not in left field. I had discovered Dr. Longo a few weeks ago, equally an ex-oncology-nurse had suggested “if you can manage drinking only water for 4 days to reset glucose levels and the liver, that would cause cancer cells to die off.” This was one week after diagnosis. Now, I do realize that improvements in health (clear eyes, energy, skin color…) did occur with 2 to 3 days of vegetable juice fasting. With a stronger body, gut and elimination of toxins, we can incorporate short water fasting. Starting with 12 hours prior to Vitamin C IV therapy.
        Thank you for invigorating my week.

        1. You are welcome. Your journey has a goal – regain your health. It is up to you to do the work. Dr. Longo has given us an important new set of tools to use. He has also done the science to explain when and how it works. He has provided the science to use a Fast Mimicking Diet that is much easier to do than water fasting and he tested this technique to verify it will still produce the same desired results obtainable from a 3 day water fast. This makes it much easier to fast. I did not know about any of this at the time I arrived at my decision to use fasting and juicing. It was only after my month 14.3 second 40% knockdown in a row that I sought to understand more about why it worked. I quickly found Dr. Longo and his work. I was excited beyond words with what I found. I believe this is a game changer, based on my personal experience of the major difference this made in my search for long term remission and avoidance in repeating this experience down the road.

    4. Alex, I doubt the unfortunate cachexic patients you speak of are truly water fasting, they would likely be on some feeding routine, a drip with glucose/nutrients in it perhaps and drugs that can also increase blood glucose like Corticosteroids; all of this would completely prevent the benefits of water fasting. Most likely their body’s have been through toxic chemo without the protection or boost to immunity that a fast would have offered. So the “fasting” that cachexic patients seem to do is not a protective immune boosting fast at all and not comparable at all. Doctors and hospitals would not allow it and would find ways to pump the body full of nutrients and drugs. Most people (including Prof Longo) would assume this natural mechanism where the body is going into starvation mode would be too late to help a cachexic cancer patient, I wouldn’t dare to comment.

      But for those of us in earlier stages, I would approach this is a purist manner, why mess with natures way of healing/protecting the body? Regular water fasts are extremely healthy for the sick and specifically for cancer patients, perhaps with FMD type low calorie/keto days when you can no longer bare a water fast; it so happens that water fasting gets easier after day 7 or 8 – varies. Keep in mind that people regularly fast for up to and beyond 20 days, even Dr Mercola regular 5 water faster, Dr Edward Group 18 days water fast.

      For Chemo, a 5 day water fast pre chemo seems ideal, also fasting on chemo day and at least 2 days after – minimum 8 days. FMD is really for people that can not control their cravings/diet, water fasting is not a breeze but its very doable with the right mindset. Best not to mess with natures solution by eating via FMD and trying to “fool” the body, we would likely miss out of some benefits yet unknown to Longo.

      1. Hi Andy,

        Thank you for your comment. I actually know a man who is now doing water fasting 2days before chemo and 3 days during/after chemo. His markers are going fast down and the side effects are very limited. The medical doctors are surprised there are nearly no side effects (only hair loss) given that the chemo combo is a relatively heavy one (Oxaliplatin, 5FU, Irinotecan). The patients is in a much better condition compare to before chemo. During chemo the doctors constantly insisted that he should eat. He rejected. They still added some glucose in his IV. Latest chemo cycle was done this week.

        Kind regards,

    5. You caught an important point. Dr. Longo thought what little benefit chemo or radiation gives may be from the inadvertent calorie restriction. BUT.. that’s only a starting point when the cancer is weakened. MAGIC time is when you rebuild following autophagy…and with a rebuilt immune system (not your old ineffecient cells any more). So easy plentyfull supernutrients must follow, without new toxins . A bigger synergy should be considered, even meditation and exercise, etc.

  2. Hi Don and Daniel,
    Don-Thank you for sharing your story here. Hearing of others who are having success always brings hope. I congratulate you on your perseverance and results!
    My husband was diagnosed with prostate cancer, gleason 9 with 6 our of 12 cores 50% positive. An initial bone scan did not show any lesions, but 3 months after prostatectomy, the PSA was 5 and a suspicious spot was visible in the left sacrum. As standard PET is notoriously poor at showing prostate cancer, we elected to fly to phoenix for a C-11 acetate PET so that we knew the full extent of what we were dealing with. Findings were 1 sacral lesion, 2 mets to the left lung and multiple nodes in the pelvis. It took us awhile to find an oncologist we were comfortable with, most of them were not up on the latest research, but when we walked into the office of our current oncologist, he told us that, 3 weeks ago he would have suggested chemo, but the results of the LATITUDE study (http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1704174) had just been released showing that the combination of the powerful androgen synthesis blocker Zytiga with Lupron, and Xgeva (for bones) had out-performed the results of of chemo in early mets. We felt that this would buy the time we needed to figure out our next move.

    As you know, androgen deprivation is not without its price, there change in body composition, mood, and memory etc. There is fatigue too, but it it is actually less than when the cancer was active. We are 7 months in and my husband’s PSA is <0.006 (meaning it could be lower, but the equipment doesn't detect anything below that number), but we know that usual course is that, at some point, the cancer will become "castrate resistant".

    My husband has been vegetarian for the last 11 years (supplements with B12 and Omega-3) and after the prostatectomy he went raw food vegan, with the exception of humus :-). Even after learning of Longo's work and the relationship of protein to cancer, I was concerned that he wasn't getting enough. We tracked his nutrition intake through a program called Chronometer and I was amazed to discover that he was getting sufficient protein, not just in general, but also when evaluating the intake of the individual amino acids.

    Anyhow, I was initially pushing more for a keto-diet, and it is one tug-of-war I am glad I lost. The evidence behind keto as a stand-alone therapy is not very strong, the evidence is more convincing in combination with other therapies that put metabolic stress on the cancer. But prostate is one cancer type where it seems high fat may not be a good idea. Anyhow, the water fasting with lower protein and fat and ample fruits, veggies and nuts is a diet we could both agree on.

    With regards to juicing, my husband has a sensitive tummy and it has always been difficult to get more than a couple veggie juices in him a day, and wheatgrass doesn't go down well either. How many juices are you doing per day? Wheatgrass?

    We also do IVC / B17 /ozone insulflation followed by home hyperthermia once a week. We use an infrared sauna dome from Sunlighten and are able to increase core temperature to 104 (verified with rectal and oral thermometer). Doing supplement, some off label medication use.

    I have to run to meet a friend, but thanks again for sharing your story

    1. Some of the research on methionine restriction in cancer is also interesting and may be part of the mechanism of a vegan diet. Apparently, most cancer cells are unable to recycle methionine, but normal cells can. Restricting methionine can cause a deficiency in cancer cells, leaving other cells relatively unimpacted: “Methionine dependence is a metabolic defect seen only in cancer cells and precludes the cells from growing in media in which methionine is depleted. Methionine dependence is thought to be due to increased rates of transmethylation in cancer cells compared with normal cells. It has been demonstrated that methionine deprivation inhibits the growth of cancer cells by causing them to arrest predominantly in the G2 phase of the cell cycle and to eventually undergo apoptosis (http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/10/6/2131.long).”

      Methionine restriction to a therapeutic degree could best be achieved by replacing protein with a medical food called HomineX (a methionine free amino acid blend, designed to treat high homocysteine) and consuming non-protein foods. Alternatively, there is an enzyme called methionase which has been manufactured synthetically and can be given IV to deplete methionine, but I don’t believe it has been used in humans, only primates, hard to get a hold of.

      I am curious if anyone has actually heard of someone using methionine depletion in cancer. There was a 12 week phase I study which showed some potential benefit, at least no detrimental effect: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11603655. Would love to hear any thoughts or experience.

      Here is a nice summary: https://www.naturalmedicinejournal.com/journal/2015-12/role-methionine-cancer-growth-and-control
      and some articles:

      1. Sorry Shanti I had to post this one, though I am not sure if it is directly of interest to you “For the vitamin combination, homocysteine (a marker of tumor cell death induced by Apatone) assays showed an immediate and statistically significant drop (p<<0.01) in tumor cell numbers …"
        PMID: 18392145

        1. Dear Jcancom,
          I am interested in ANYTHING that might be helpful. I had my husband on K3 /vit C for a while as a combo supplement but he started having headaches and fatigue. Through process of elimination, we determined it was the K3. I switched him to 45mg of K2 daily, but had the same problem (K2 has some clinical liver cancer data http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2010/11/The-Remarkable-Anticancer-Properties-of-Vitamin-K/Page-01). I still sneak in a few mg of K2 now and then to help with his bones, but we can’t seem to use the higher doses. Although he does tolerate many things well, there have been a few that were “no-gos”: K3, LDN and, another promising one, melatonin. Anyhow, thanks for your post.

          1. Shanti, I have been reading up on the Circadian angle lately. Perhaps you could increase melatonin without giving pills
            PMID: 26678364.

            Another insight that I have been fascinated with recently is Duration dosing of iv Vitamin C.
            (see the Vitamin C thread).

            As D notes in his comment below, most clinics want to move patients off their chair as
            fast as possible to get to their next revenue event. Yet, for the patient it would likely make much more sense to stay
            with the therapeutic window for a longer period of time. With a typically safe treatment such as Vitamin C and especially
            due to its metabolic effects, a longer duration makes a great deal of sense. The Scottish results from the 1970s used
            a 1 g/hour for 10 hours a day protocol. Nowadays the clinics can use a 1g/minute for 90 minutes dosing.

            1. Hi Jcancom,
              Good point that we can do things like keeping the bedroom completely dark, avoiding electronics at night and getting enough sunlight to help with our natural melatonin production, and I am sure that helps. Interesting thought that the 20mg advocated for cancer is many times more than what the pituitary is capable of making on its own, even taking into account absorption and how much gets into the brain.

              Your comments on IVC administration are interesting, we do administer at home, so this is something to try if needed. Was it 1g for 10 hours a day for 2 weeks (seem to remember reading 2 weeks somewhere)?

              Anyhow, as we are in NED with PSA of <0.006, we debate doing some of these more intensive therapies since we have no marker to see how they are impacting whatever stem cells may be present, and yet, maybe now is the time to do some of these things, while there are few cells.

              The question for me is, are these few cells metabolically active enough for therapies to have an impact? Are the cells that are presumably present hormone refractory cells, rapidly dividing to become the majority, or are they wounded hormone sensitive cells, limping along with an almost normal metabolism until they can mutate and thrive.

              (History is: Post prostatectomy PSA of 5. C-11 acetate PET showed mets to sacrum, multiple pelvic and aortic nodes and two spots in the left lung. Complete remission with androgen deprivation x 7months)

            2. Shanti, I am so glad that you are using this time to build your knowledge base. I was quite startled when reading the Scottish and Singaporean Vitamin C studies when people with metastatic cancer who had a response would then go back to work or refuse further treatment. Astonishing! One of these patients in the Singapore trial had nearly a 300 cc tumor and he figured he was fine. My thinking is that anyone who develops metastatic cancer should be understood to have reached the point of permanent disability. After a diagnosis of metastatic cancer, it should be recognized that your full time job and more is to research and seek treatment for your illness. This would in fact also be in the bests interests of the rest of society as patients would then be more highly informed and the available best standard of care would be what clinics would be forced to offer.

              It is remarkable how much of a difference simply changing the mouse cage to a blue tint made. It quintupled the maximum melatonin levels and it greatly decreased the tumor size relative to the clear cage.

              I totally agree with you that knowing what you need to do before it might be necessary is wise. Possibly even doing a trial run even if it were only saline to develop muscle memory might be a good idea. So many of the patients that I have encountered simply were unable to do the things that they needed to do to help their loved ones because they wanted to deliberate carefully before doing anything. Intensive dosing with iv Vitamin C is probably something all cancer patients should be doing without much debate. However, by not going through the process of deliberation now and not having a physical memory, when they actually need to do this they probably will endlessly postpone action.

              The Scottish study had 10 days of 10 grams per day iv Vitamin C. It was not clear if this meant 2 weeks or 10 days straight. The Singapore study used 21 days of straight dosing, though it looks as they were using more of a 90-120 minute dosing schedule. However, the 1 gram per hour for 10 hours is still only a speculation because there does not appear to be firm statement anywhere of exactly what they actually did. This is an important point and it surprises me that this has never been more clearly specified. Some of the medical personnel from that time could still clarify this and it would be helpful if this were in fact done.

              The idea that we have been discussing on the Vitamin C thread is starving cancer of ATP would be much more effective if it were to be done for a prolonged period of time. My example, is that I starve myself for 15 minutes and then I like having a double cheeseburger, with large fries and a milk shake. This obviously is not a great diet plan, though this is exactly what is being done with Vitamin C treatment today. Using a modest iv dose of Vitamin C that extends for multiple hours likely would have a treatment effect that was quadratically more effective than a high dose for a short duration. Supporting this idea is the fact that 8% of the Scottish patients developed a fatal TLS response and many others had regressions and other responses while the responses today typically never have TLS responses nor probably many regressions.

              Prostate cancer appears to be a perfect type of cancer to think in terms of metabolics. D recently wrote an article about zinc and it was very interesting to see the research on prostate cancer. Apparently, prostate cancer almost always occurs within the context of zinc deficiency which then allows the cancer cell to power up metabolically. Otherwise, normal prostate cells are very ATP depleted. If you could knockdown the energy boost from zinc depletion (with perhaps a zinc ionophore such as clioquinol and then) which would then push down OXPHOS then a glycolysis inhibitor might then be quite effective. Prostate epithelial cells only receive 14 ATP versus 38 ATP per glucose by glycolysis needs to be upregulated PMID: 27132038 . This should be a large opportunity to intervene.

            3. Dear Jcancom,
              I agree, that, after diagnosis, researching cancer is a full time job! For me it is a second full time job. I wish that everyone diagnosed would have access to information and options, or have an informed advocate to assist them. You are right, that this would push forward the standard of care and force the medical system to support terminal patients in trying experimental and off-label treatments. I appreciate all that you do to help people access important information, a case-in-point, this information on the original Vitamin C therapies. It makes sense with vitamin C therapy, and other therapies, that a prolonged application would be more efficacious than a short course, especially combined with other therapies that target the metabolic pathways from other angles, or that inhibit oxidative defense.

              Thanks for referring me to the Zinc article, the melanoma metastasis case studies are impressive, but the section Daniel posted on the potential in prostate cancer is also very informative, you are right a good intervention opportunity.

            4. Regarding giving IVC for a longer period- We were thinking 100g over 6 hours (probably periodically mixed and injected into the bag due to the short half-life of the C, or we might put in some EDTA) and supplemented with oral liposomal on the “down time”. This would be over two weeks. We would also add doxycycline based on this recent study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28978032. I know it is not in vivo, but I found it compelling, and doxy is relatively non-toxic….. we probably won’t do it unless the PSA starts going up, but I would be curious to know your thoughts.

            5. Shanti, I am becoming wary of making suggestions about what would seem reasonable treatment ideas in light of D’s recent report that there was a severe side effect resulting from what would on the surface seem to be a harmless combo. Strange things can happen when you stray from the well traveled path.

              Sticking to the protocols would seem good advice, though the problem is there has been great reluctance to innovate. The Scottish protocol was only 1 gram per hour for 10 hours per day and they reported strong results. The Singapore protocol used a typical 100 g quick dose for 21 days. Even still prolonged dosing does appear to offer better responses. A poster on the Vitamin C thread is pursuing this idea and apparently is preparing to start a clinical trial. I will be very interested to see what dosing is chosen and what the results might be.

              There are so many combinations that could then be added in to amplify the effect. Alpha lipoic acid is often used in combination with Vitamin C. The Vitamin C Forum also talks of using D Fraction along with Vitamin C in nanoparticles and they also highlight the doxy combo. It is quite exciting that doxy could knockdown the mitochondria and then the Vitamin C would be there to complete the combo. Duration dosing under such a
              circumstance should put an enormous amount of stress on the cancer cell’s energy supply.

              The Scottish trial also seems to have topped up the dosing with oral Vitamin C dosing as you suggested.

              Vitamin C has a great deal of potential that has been overlooked for some time. It might be an especially good treatment to have on the shelf if things were to become more serious as it has few side effects and can specifically target the cancer cells.

            6. Hi Jancom-
              Question- Was Daniel’s recent report on side effects from what would, “on the surface seem like a harmless combo” referring to doxy with C? or a cautionary tale in combing therapies in general? As you know, those of us with loved ones in the “terminal” category cautiously stray from the path… but I see your point in that we could be the first n=1 to try long-term-high-dose-C and Doxy in a human. Please let me know if you hear of anyone else trying the combo in your wanderings on other forums! We do use maitaki D-fraction with the C.

            7. Shanti, I had to fudge a bit about the toxicity example because I could not clearly remember what it was. I found it though on D’s news page. It was DCA and artemisinin. One would not ordinarily expect such a reaction to occur with two seemingly recognizable names. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fonc.2016.00204/full

              Yes, I do realize that staying with fixed protocols is often not practical for advanced patients, especially when the existing protocols usually do not give the maximal treatment power. I have encountered reports from the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine and elsewhere where patients appear to have achieved very strong results by taking it off-road.

              A poster on the Vitamin C thread with a great deal of understanding of iv Vitamin C believes that curative therapy could result from a week or two of high intensity Vitamin C treatment in those patients who had been selected on the basis of not being at risk of G6PD or TLs.
              Vitamin C does appear to have certain off-road potential.

            8. Well…… we have used DCA (20mg/kg) and artemisinin together (500mg twice daily), but both orally, and only for a week at at a time, in a pulsed fashion. Thankfully, we did not have any ill-effect. I suspect that the state of poor health, other medications, and individual biochemistry played a role in the reaction and ultimate demise in the case you referenced. It is a reminder of the risks we do take and the need to calculate them well and cautiously. Respecting all of these medicines is so important, something we learned when we underestimated the potency of apricot kernels and induce a mild cyanide poisoning… very scary. Anyhow, when I have some time, I will venture over to the vitamin C thread.

            9. Shanti, on the Vitamin C Forum they refer to a nanoformulation of Vitamin C and D Fraction that is supposed to be the best thing ever.

              Erg quoted a study yesterday on the Vitamin C thread with a large sample of patients that provides strong evidence for a survival benefit from iv Vitamin C (see the thread for details).

            10. Hi Jcancom, We currently use Maitaki D fraction with our IVC, but not the liposomal. As the evidence is in vitro, we didn’t chose it as a top priority due to the cost, but we still give a hefty dose of the capsules when doing IVC. I hope to get over to the IVC post this weekend.

      2. HI Shanti,

        About an year ago, I was discussing with Anders Ferry from the documentary http://www.survivingterminalcancer.com exactly about this.
        He is fighting brain cancer and is a super survivor. At that time he said he is was using Methionine restriction.
        He is alive after long time fighting brain cancer and active on the Yahoo Group “BrainTumor-Treatments”. So his approach is working. (He often used a cocktail of drugs and supplements as well).

        Kind regards,

      3. Shanti,
        I am new here and was here reading the comments as I prepare to do my first fast.
        Compared to the people that contribute on this site, I feel somewhat a little over my head.
        However, after reading about your husband I wish to share a little le I have learned.
        I was diagnosed with Gleason 8s and 9s in all 12 cores PC in Sept. 2017. Surgery in Nov 2017. 2 bone mets appeared in Feb 2018.
        Told remission was not an option. Started docetaxol lupron, and my first alt treatments in March 2018. All of Beck protocol, transdermal and oral CBD, major cleanup of diet, boswelic extract 1000 mg per day, apigenin, Msm, and a structured exercise program. Mets quit lighting up in Sept 2017. Did follow up radiation Nov and Dec 2018. In July 2018 I met a retired doctor who had put his stage 4 PC into remission with diet and lifestyle only 8 yrs ago. He and his wife have mentored me ever since. The diet that he and I use is mimicking the diet discussed on nutrition facts.org . See prostate cancer, the 2 videos part 1 and part 2 of treating AdvancedPC with diet. Also started Fenbendazole Jan 19 per Tippens protocol. Study in “a drug made for animals but used by humans to treat cancer” on this site showed test tube that Fenbendazole with vit e sucrate put about 93% of P3 PC into apoptosis in 4 days.
        Today I am cancer free, but am looking to fasting to repair conventional treatment damage as my diet alone isn’t getting me there.
        Also on nut facts go to cancer survival and see the food list in overview that is anti cancer. I include 7 to 10 generally in my diet daily.
        God Bless,

      4. Don,
        Congrats on fighting the monster. You are a real blessing.
        I am new here and was reading the comments as I prepare to do my first fast.
        Compared to the people that contribute on this site, I feel like a novice.
        However, I wish to share a little I have learned.
        I was diagnosed with Gleason 8s and 9s in all 12 cores PC in Sept. 2017. Surgery in Nov 2017. 2 bone mets appeared in Feb 2018.
        Told remission was not an option. Started docetaxol, lupron, and my first alt treatments in March 2018. All of Beck protocol, transdermal and oral CBD, major cleanup of diet, boswelic extract 1000 mg per day, apigenin, Msm, and a structured exercise program. Mets quit lighting up in Sept 2017. Did follow up radiation Nov and Dec 2017. In July 2018 I met a retired doctor who had put his stage 4 PC into remission with diet and lifestyle 8 yrs ago. He and his wife have mentored me ever since. The diet that he and I use is mimicking the diet discussed on nutrition facts.org . See prostate cancer, the 2 videos part 1 and part 2 of treating AdvancedPC with diet. Also started Fenbendazole Jan 19 per Tippens protocol. Study in “a drug made for animals but used by humans to treat cancer” on this site showed test tube that Fenbendazole with vit e succinate put about 93% of P3 PC into apoptosis in 4 days.
        Today I am cancer free with undetectable PSA, but am looking to fasting to repair conventional treatment damage as my diet alone isn’t getting me there.
        Also on nut facts go to cancer survival and see the food list in overview that is anti cancer. I include 7 to 10 generally in my diet daily.
        I quit lupron in Sept 2018 and my apparent recovery is amazing to my oncologist.
        God Bless,

        1. HI DLW,

          Thank you for you nice comments.
          In order for Don to receive you comment you need to write as a reply to one of his comments.
          Have a nice day/evening!

          Kind regards,

    2. Congratulations on choosing a journey to improve your health as part of the solution to beating cancer. We each have a unique combination of internal and externals factors to deal with. If you can improve your metabolic health you will lengthen your life and improve the quality of your life. In many cases you can be rid of your cancer and keep it from ever returning.

      The two things that I believe made the biggest difference when my body was ready. A fast (3 day water or 5 day Fast Mimicking Diet) and juicing. Green juicing is much harder to drink and less effective than a carrot mix. 64 ounces a day is the minimum juice for metabolic recovery. 4 lbs organic carrots, 2 organic Gala apples (this time of year, granny smith when in season), 2 beets organic preferred with leafy tops if you can handle the taste. 2-8 stalks of celery. Both the beet leaves and the celery add a biter taste. Start off with no beet leaves and only 2 celery stalks. Increase until you get a complaint.

      Coffee enemas are an effective way to get rid of toxins in addition to the infrared sauna dome. I tested for heavy metals and came back with a low reading. Still I knew as I lost weight and as I killed cancer cells on a fast and after the fast I needed to detox my body. I still broke out all over my back the first time and a little on my mid body the second time. I welcomed that event as it meant miracles were working inside my body.

      I would consider Essiac tea in the evening just before going to bed. This has been known to cure cancer all on its own. I would cook garlic and onion everyday for one of my meals. I would add a small amount of turmeric and a full teaspoon of dried ginger (very little taste) to my salad. These are all known cancer fighting foods with the highest measured benefits against cancer cells in a petri dish. They work best in combination.

        1. I was offered the hormone option and share your concern about PSA readings once you are on it. Your current path is a short term knockdown with an expiry date. I believe what I did was not a fluke but an appropriate reaction to the condition underlying the problem. If I was in you situation, and I was very close to turning down that same path for more time I would with what I know now do 6 months of once a month Fast Mimicking Diet (5 days), followed by 2 days of juice only followed by the eating plan I outlined drinking at least 64 ounces of the carrot mix a day. Even without the ability to take PSA readings that are useful at this time there is strong science to support this will heal the mitochondria. I would want to know if there was another way to monitor my cancer through this process.

          1. Hi Don- My husband has always been into fasting, even before the cancer he did 1 day of water per week and 3 days of juice per month, and a vegetarian diet. Now he does 3 days of water per month and a vegan, mostly raw diet. I have been sharing this thread with him and he is currently on his 3rd day of water, going to start the juicing tomorrow. I am sure that this will be an ongoing part of our strategy as he has such an affinity for it. As his cancer developed in the context of already having very “clean” living and fasting, it lessons my confidence that it will control it in his case, as it has already somewhat adapted. None-the-less, at some point (before it becomes ineffective on its own), we will try coming off the androgen deprivation, knowing we can go back on if needed, and I am certain fasting and jucing will be part of our approach, along with several other therapies, many of which I am indebted to this site and Daniel for brining to my awareness. We are blessed to have had such a complete response to the androgen deprivation, many people do not have a complete response, but it does leave us without a marker, there is no other way to monitor.

            1. I do not think the body become resistant to the benefits from routine fasting. The one day water fast and 3 day juice fast is the equivalent of a 2 day water fasting if done correctly. That is just on the margin of producing the protection benefit and not far enough for the autophagy and EGF-1 benefit. The reduction in EFG-1, and autophagy takes 3 days of water fasting (5 days of FMD at 800 calories) for a reliable result as tested in the lab. The 3 day water fast your husband is doing today is excellent. The first day after he should do juice only. After that he can add back in other foods (no meat or cheese for a bit). The fast (lack of new adequate cellular building nutrients) results in a stop growth message to our cells. This is called the protection mode. Cancer cells are wired to ignore this signal. This is a very powerful condition that we can take advantage of to attack the tumors. Allopathic medicine is doing using chemo and radiation. 3BP and similar drugs that need to get in past the protection layer of a tumor have an excellent opportunity in this state. Essiac tea kills tumors cells and can take advantage of this condition as well. Any thing else like turmeric, ginger powder, garlic etc all have an opportunity to do their thing. We just learned how to create this lab verified condition and now we are entering the phase of experimenting with what works while doing the least harm and what works the best for what situation.

              My personal experience was the fast benefits continued for 6 weeks after my first fast. Was it because of the immune system reset? Was it because of learning by the immune system? Was it because EGF-1 and Thor levels remain low for 6 weeks after the fast?

              I identified two things I did that could have taken advantage of the protection mode condition and the autophagy and immune system rebuild. Juicing is one, it path could have been through reversal of damage to mitochondria. I also started drinking a tea called Essiac Tea known to be a cancer fighter. I only took it a few times at the end of my first successful fasting period. I took it about half the time in my second period. I took it only the last three days in my third period – results to come in later today. I wanted to exclude it for testing purposes from this third period but in the end I added it back in saying lets get over this thing and repeat all the things I had been doing. If my rate of decline slows in the third period this will suggest Essiac Tea was important.

            2. I see.
              So, for clarity – Insulin like Growth Factor is IGF-1.
              EGF in google shows as epidermal growth factor.

              What is Your point about fasting & autophagy as cancer cells survival mechanism?

            3. Do my results trouble you? Is there a better way? The two back to back 40% declines I got from fasting, Essiac Tea, juicing and and low fat Vegan diet were obtained without side effects and look to be repeatable. With 3-BP I got results 2/44 uses and the results were neither repeatable nor was my immune system able to continue the work. If you have a path to more reliable results, low side effects and will boost the immune system to finish the work I am all ears.

          2. Hi Don, I am 45 years old and I have prostate cancer, gleason score 7 and I am on an active surveillance program where I receive regular PSA, DRE, MRI and biopsies. My prostate cancer was found when I underwent a TURP procedure because of difficulty urinating. My question is about your focus on PSA. Despite having cancer as indicated in now 2 biopsies, I have never had a PSA higher than 1.98. Following my TURP, I understand I have to reset my PSA level since much of my prostate (and maybe much prostate cancer) was removed during the TURP procedure. Following the TURP procedure, my first PSA was 1.2 (dec 2020), then 1.02 (Feb 2021), 1.0 (Jul 2021) and now 0.95 (Jan 2022). It certainly makes me happy to see that my PSA trend line is moving in the right direction and my second MRI is not showing any growth in the one small tumor we know is cancerous via a fusion ultrasound biopsy, but how good of a proxy is PSA for knowing if your cancer is improving or getting worse? I am also interested in your opinion of extended water fasting on the order of 21 days in terms of maximizing auto-nagy?

      1. Hi Don, I am 45 years old and I have prostate cancer, gleason score 7 and I am on an active surveillance program where I receive regular PSA, DRE, MRI and biopsies. My prostate cancer was found when I underwent a TURP procedure because of difficulty urinating. My question is about your focus on PSA. Despite having cancer as indicated in now 2 biopsies, I have never had a PSA higher than 1.98. Following my TURP, I understand I have to reset my PSA level since much of my prostate (and maybe much prostate cancer) was removed during the TURP procedure. Following the TURP procedure, my first PSA was 1.2 (dec 2020), then 1.02 (Feb 2021), 1.0 (Jul 2021) and now 0.95 (Jan 2022). It certainly makes me happy to see that my PSA trend line is moving in the right direction and my second MRI is not showing any growth in the one small tumor we know is cancerous via a fusion ultrasound biopsy, but how good of a proxy is PSA for knowing if your cancer is improving or getting worse? I am also interested in your opinion of extended water fasting on the order of 21 days in terms of maximizing auto-nagy?

  3. Thanks to Don for this testimony and to Daniel to share it. I hope the results will continue to improve. I really appreciate Valter Longo. The results of his studies on fasting during chemotherapy have convinced us to try. My father followed long fasting periods : 48 hours before chemotherapy and 24 hours after its end. The results were very good and I am sure it helped him a lot. However, he has lost a lot of weight and is now he fasts only during 3-4 days. The rest of the time he follows a low glycemic index diet.

    1. The post chemo fast needs to be 48 hours minimum to get the reset to the immune system that he needs. 72 hours is better but 48 hours will get the job done, whereas 24 hours will not trigger autophagy and your stem cells to do their thing to rebuild the brain and immune system. Nuts and dried fruit are an effective way to put some weight back on. Both can be healthy foods. If tying to loose weight these must be minimized.

      1. Dear Don,
        Wellcome and congratulations firstly.
        It is very hard for a human to fast for some days.
        I am one of the believers of the efficiency of fasting before and after chemo,if you can do it ofcourse.
        I wonder did you try hyperthermia during long fasting?
        And adding phlorizin near long fasting with hyperthetmia maybe a cure,just like nutrient free cell trays in lab.
        But i am still thinking how a human can make fasting 4-5 days.
        Really amazing.

        1. Regarding water fasting, for those interested, take a look at the work of Dr. Goldhamer, he has fasted thousands of patients between 5 and 40 days. Most people (I would not advocate a long term fast for a cancer patient with catchexia, weight issues or without expert care) have no trouble with a 2-3 week fast, the most common challenge is potassium dropping too low.

          There are also cases of very heavy people water fasting for over a year, here is one case, but there are others:

          Longer term water fasts are best for those with with diseases of excess, not for those who are nutritionally depleted, and not something I would personally suggest for most people, but I wanted to point out that the body is better adapted to handle them than we think.

          I received a crash course in water fasting when a close family member, against my protest, did a 28 day water fast. To tell you the truth, I was terrified and tried to talk them out of it to no avail, yet, the sailed through it without incident. They monitored glucose, ketones, pulse, oxygen sat, urinalysis, blood pressure and orthostatic blood pressure. Amazingly, although ketones increased, glucose never dropped below 58. I am not advocating fasting this long, especially for those with catchexia or weight issues, but it is an interesting medical tool for diabetes, blood pressure, obesity etc. Fasting for more than a few days should not be done without medical supervision. In water fasting, the state of ketosis spares muscle, prioritizing fat, the immune system is regenerated, mitochondria are regenerated and autophagy is induced.

          1. Shanti, I have liked this one for quite some time.
            I am surprised how low glucose levels were able to brought down in those who were obese and on long term fasting.
            The article suggests that super super low glucose levels might be induced, though I certainly wonder if it would truly
            be necessary. Bringing glucose levels down even moderately seem to already help people with cancer.
            PMID: 25579853

            1. A quote from the article you reference:
              “S. Chakrabarty (1948) investigated 407 starvation cases in the Bengal famine to find that 20 or so of them had chronic blood sugar below 40 mg/dL with no symptoms of hypoglycemia. Stewart and Fleming (1973) who supervised a worldrecord-setting 382-day therapeutic fast found that blood glucose became stable at 30 mg/dL, dropping intermittently to 20 mg/dL without symptoms. The most relevant evidence to our hypothesis is the observation of intentional acute hypoglycemia induction by Drenick
              et al. (1972) who keto-adapted obese patients via 45-60 days of starvation and then perfused insulin. Within the hour, they observed serum glucose as low as 9 mg/dL without acute hypoglycemic symptoms. Serum glucose this low would normally induce coma (which has even been observed with blood sugar as high as 40-49 mg/dL according to Ben-Ami et al.,
              1999, Figure 3).”

              So although the individual I know who water fasted never went below 58mg/dL, clearly those who push the limits, are truly in starvation, or long term fasting obese people can get down to levels we would consider emergency levels, except that they aren’t when ketones pick up the slack! I heard Dr. Seyfried state at a conference that a friend had obtained a glucose of 29 using ketosis plus medication with no ill effect. It isn’t something I would suggest people try to do without supervision. The more glycolytic the cancer, the more effective this approach would be.

              Have you ever seen any evidence that cancer can use ketones as fuel? Not trying to give you a research project, just wondering if you know off hand, I am happy to look into it.

            2. Shanti, I am glad that you found that quote because it also was striking to me.
              It constantly amazes me that there is so much great science that is probably never
              put to use in helping people. Yet, the medicines that people do use often has a range of
              side effects and often is not overly effective.

              It is generally understood that glucose levels can be lowered somewhat through fasting.
              This article talks of maximally decreasing glucose levels. I think I tracked the pharmaceutical
              suggested in this article to lower glucose and it was still moving ahead in clinical trials. If it is
              truly possible to lower glucose levels into the single digits without side effects when in ketosis
              that reasonably should be expected to have largish anti-cancer effects.

              I am not sure if the full idea of being in an ICU and having your brain supplied with critical glucose
              is entirely realistic, though it certainly gives one something to think about.

              As you say some cancers do rely on ketones, though apparently with this reference it is more about signaling PMID: 26145173 I could only imagine what would happen if one were to use the suggested drug to plunge glucose levels once in ketosis and then inject glucose. How would cancer cells adapt if their main energy supply were removed and then the ketones were to be removed?

            3. This paper gives an idea of how common BRAF V600 mutations are for various cancer types, I was of course interested in the incidence in Prostate cancer.

              “Mutations in the BRAF gene have been reported in 7%–15% of all human cancers, with melanoma having one of the highest incidences (40%–70%).1,2 The most common locus of mutation is at position V600, causing constitutive hyperactivation, proliferation, survival, and oncogenic transformation.2

              Other tumor types with a marked prevalence of BRAFV600 mutations include hairy cell leukemia (79%–100%),3,4 histiocytic conditions, including Erdheim–Chester disease and Langerhans cell histiocytosis (55%),5 papillary thyroid carcinoma (45%),6 serous ovarian cancer (35%),7 colorectal cancer (12%),1 non-small cell lung cancer (NSCLC; up to 5%),8 and multiple myeloma (4%).9”
              “Overall incidence of BRAFV600E mutation in evaluable patients (n=548) was 3% (95% confidence interval [CI], 1.7–4.7): 11% in colorectal tumors (n=75), 6% in biliary tract tumors (n=16), 3% in non-small cell lung cancers (n=71), 2% in other types of solid tumors (n=180), and 3% in multiple myeloma (n=31). There were no BRAFV600 mutations in this cohort of patients with ovarian tumors (n=68), breast cancer (n=86), or prostate cancer (n=21).”

              In regards to dropping blood sugar, bringing it to extremely low levels would be half the battle of glycolysis inhibition, which is why we see the positive results when ketogenic diet is combined with other therapies. The idea of dropping glucose even lower than 9 with direct glucose feed to the brain is a wild one… maybe that would be possible, but what about the other glucose dependent tissues in the body: Erythrocytes, and likely testes, erythrocytes, kidney medula and testes…. seems that would limit the duration of the therapy, unless these other tissues can also use ketons, surely, with no mitochondria RBCs can’t. Of course cancer cells have a higher glycolytic need, and that is the key.

            4. Shanti, this one is also of interest.

              It is related to D’s methylglyoxal post.
              PMID: 25999714
              It combines with ascorbic acid.
              It also appears quite safe, has a nice chitosan cationic flavor and does not seem difficult to synthesize.

        2. Ergin
          Water fasting is hard for the first 3 days then it gets easier as hunger stops. I experienced this both times. I found the Fast Mimicking Diet much easier to do. Dr. Longo’s testing shows it produces all the same desired results in 5 days as the 3 day water fast (4 days in the more restricted calorie version of the FMD used with chemo protocols).

          I did use wet and dry saunas during my fasting to help eliminate toxins. I continued these after as well. I also used coffee enemas for additional toxin elimination. I have experienced rash breakouts and some kidney pains in the process.

          There is a video on Netflix that explains how the Russians have been using water fasting for the last 40 years Their standard water fast is a 12 day water fast. Thousands of people do this without a problem under clinic supervision. Much of the challenge is all in our mind. The older you are the harder it is. Try my mantra – do this or die. It helps to have someone telling you this works and helping you stay with it. Going it alone is tough work, I am alone in this fight as I am also dealing with a divorce. My family is there for me whenever I call. It can be done when you value living more than your sickness. The Fast Mimicking Diet is a game changer as it lets you eat a small amount and that makes the mental side so much easier as you know you next meal is coming shortly.

          1. Donc honestly when people see this post firstly they may think that it is an advertisement of Dr Longos book.But we know that Daniel never permits this in his website.I like it too much But the post is too long and i am very very sure that people didnt read all post upto my past experience.
            If you wish we make it clear how you did treatments shortly,if you can find time.
            People has full of stress so they cannot read too long posts.
            Kind Regards

            1. DR Longos protocol is not too hard to do i think.
              I know lots of people who does fasting in religionous days and they are in full of stress.
              They are very angry in those days.Imagine the hormones!

            2. This community should be more inclined to use this technique as it weakens the tumors, strengthens the good cells and boosts the immune systems – hello!. In summary this is a kick start to better metabolic and cellular health doing what would take months with just the right diet in a few days. Isn’t that what we want? What more can you ask for? I know we wish we had a 72 hour cure to a degenerative disease that was a decade or two in the making? Let me ask you it this way – if we had a drug that did all this and the science was verified would you take it knowing the side effects you will feel is some tiredness, some hunger some irritability for 3 days? The FMD is much easier to do compared to water fasting. The anger phase is subdued but still present. No getting around it even with the FMD you are on a 70% calorie restriction journey.

              There is a place for a shortened introductory of my story, even the full story could have been shorter. Thank you for that input. I have written 8 books in a past career in investing. Always I write too much and my work is less than ideally organized. I typically do 10-12 edits to get it reorganized and pared down. I did not have the time for this writing. I envy those who get there writing perfectly organized the first time out. That does not resemble how I write. I have the knowledge but not the writing gift, for me it a labor. I use writing as a way to codify my knowledge as I must fact check everything and my insight evolves as I write. It was an important tool for me to identify fasting and juicing before changing to the Gerson diet. I have written emails every few weeks while on this journey to my mom and copied my family and friends some of which are also dealing with cancer themselves. I would include Daniel when I thought there was something important in there for him, like I am winning, here is how!

              I appreciate people have limited time. I will work harder to have a cleaner flow, and write as simply as I can, thanks for your feedback.

            3. Hi Ergin,

              Indeed, if there would be any support to the Foundation from any public person or organisation, I will make sure that is transparent and clear.
              Regarding, dr Longos, one day I may contact him as I heard good things about him from multiple patients.

              Unfortunately you are right Ergin: I realized that many people do not read the post while they start participating in discussions.
              It is a pity to see this, since writing a post takes a lot of time, and much much less to read it – while the post should represent good (and free) value for the reader.

              Kind regards,

            4. Thanks for the input. I will develop a much shorter short version of just the treatment used. I believe that the fasting I did was the breakthrough I needed to get the upper hand in my battle. My evidence also supports that the diet I moved to at the same time worked on its own after. I believe the more than 100 research papers Longo has participated in has resulted in seminal knowledge for treating degenerative disease. As you know this kind of knowledge often gets hijacked by allopathic medicine. The chemo and radiation industries are in process of testing with good results adding fasting to chemo and radiation. The real breakthrough is that chemo and radiation are not needed to make fasting effective against early stage cancers, not the other way around. Forgive me for believing so strongly in the power of this therapy to accelerate the bodies ability to heal itself from degenerative diseases like cancer. I have been involved in mathematical research applications for most of my career. I have a solid track record of being an early adapter and innovator.

            5. Donc,i am always thinking that this website is a treasure for cancer research.Also for doctors and scientists.Your experience is very important for humanity.
              Just After i wrote the message about wanting summary of your treatment,i understand that this is a big fault.It deserves a reading of15 minutes maximum.You,Daniel spent days to write it.I only want to attract peoples attention to this post.
              Kind Regards

            6. Is anybody among the forum members taking chemotherapy and adopting the black posture for 48 hours before chemo and 24 hours after and maintaining hemoglobin and leukocytes in normal parameters? I’m curious, my wife is irinotecan and avastin for about 4 months, and three times it was postponed to the series because the hemoglobin or leucocytes had gone below the minimum required for infusion. That’s because he has a classic feeding regime. Initially, the Budwig diet followed a vegan (bio) diet for about 6 months, resulting in tumor duplication, number and size, every 2 months.

  4. I got my PSA results today A shocker my PSA jumped up from 1.0 to 1.8 in 3 weeks. Two things come to mind for this setback. I stopped taking the Essiac Tea. I allowed a number of dietary changes and steadily got off track once I headed down that road. Time to redouble my efforts and strictly follow what got me the good results the last two times. You all know this cancer roller coaster and difficult journey. I am confident I can repeat my results.

    1. As a followup here is what I am doing now to repeat my earlier promising results. 2.5 days of water fasting ( I am 17 hours into this). At the 48 hour mark I will consume one 4-0z glass of Essiac Tea with two drops of honey. I will have another glass of tea 3 hours later. The next morning I will again have a cup of Essiac Tea. Two hours later I will break my fast by eating cooked onions, garlic and ginger powder. One hour later I will consume juice and do that for the rest of the day. The next day I will resume eating solid foods (low fat Vegan). The concept I am following is to put my good cells into protection mode and my tumors cells into stress mode where they loose their protein protection layer, are starving for fuel to grow and strategically feed them what I believe can attack the tumors in their vulnerable state. I will stay on track with my dietary restrictions going forward. I will retest my PSA in 2 weeks to get the results from this procedure. The one negative I am facing is my wife who filed for divorce in April has decided this last week was a good time to ramp up the attacks. I will do my best to manage that stress as we will be working together next week.

      1. Hi Don,

        Thanks a lot for the update. It’s a pity to hear you have to deal with the stress related to your wife. I hope you will manage that well. You have succeeded to reduce your PSA multiple times with various “tools” and I know you will do it again.

        Kind regards,

        1. I am responsible for my health. I know stress reduction is one of the pillars for cancer recovery. I am responding as best I know how. First I have been reframing my interactions with my raging wife as her issue not mine. Second I reposition this as a necessary phase she must go through that could soon benefit me. We will be doing business together this week and after a short awkward period all should settle down. I know it is important to reduce the stress I feel in dealing with her and our divorce right now. I get stressed out just writing you about this. I can only mange myself and how I react to her anger and manipulations. I prefer no interaction but that is not possible. We have less than two months before our first settlement conference. Fortunately we did not have kids together, so it is just about the money. The timing for the divorce was to get strategic advantage in the negotiations. She is a teenage cancer survivor and knows full well stress is a major player in cancer.

      2. Wish you well as you work through all of your challenges. I like this fasting approach that you are using and I am very unclear why this is not a more standard cancer treatment protocol. This fits entirely within the metabolic medicine approach that now appears to be gaining traction within the oncology community. Have you ever kept records of your glucose levels while going through these fasts with a glucose monitor etc. ?
        In research that I quoted to Shanti above, when people have underwent prolonged fasts they had extreme decreases in glucose levels. D has made a great suggestion on how to bring down glucose levels, though I am interested whether others know of examples of prolonged fasting as an anti-cancer and whether this would be safe.

        1. Yes I track regularly my urine PH. I have for a time tracked all 10 of my indicators, but they so rarely change so I stopped. I did all 10 for you this morning. This is at the end of my fast, 60 hours in, I will break my fast at 61 hours (2.t5 days). My glucose level was 0. My KET (Ketone) level was 160 (max), my urine Ph 5.2 (extremely low indicating my tumors are raging, hopefully because they are dying and giving off lactic acid, it was 6.2 yesterday halfway through the fast and 7.35 prior to fasting). This is my third short water fast. I found this one much easier to do than the first two. I attribute this to knowing in my brain now that I will not starve and maybe some determination that I must do this now to get back on track and coaching myself to stop being a whimp. I also know how to manage the zero levels of glucose that require you deal with the occasional low levels of energy in the brain when you get up, so I have less fear and know better now how to manage my body in a water fast.

          I think I have nailed down the likely reason for my rise in PSA this last time. I think it was the salt I started taking in Maui 2.5 weeks ago and continued until five days ago. Secondarily I had eaten 7 ounces of Ahi Tuna 4 days before the PSA test. I stupidly went nuts on salt after having none for 7 months based on a reading of a version of the fast mimicking diet by a third party using avocados, salt and lime juice. It tasted great and I loved having a new powerful flavor in my diet.

          After my bad results I did what researchers do, went back to my data and reviewed the literature looking for clues. In re-rereading the Gerson protocol I was reminded salt was excluded and to be replaced by Potassium. This was critical as studies had shown that healthy mitochondria took in Potassium and damaged ones substituted salt in those receptors. In order to create a healthy environment this was a required dietary shift. Oops. Another probable has emerged, my not using the People Press on my juice pulp for max phytochemical and nutrient extraction. I was unable to use it for the 2.5 weeks I spent in Maui which is when my results were bad. I am unable to use it again for this 2 weeks as I am traveling for business right now. In 9 days I will back from my trip and retest my PSA.

          1. Are You tracking your glucose levels with urine strips ? What is blood glucose levels? Practically, in few days of water fasting you force body to enter ketosis state.

            1. No I am tracking my glucose level with urine strips. I get poked enough. With water fasting you get into ketosis in 24 hours. I also track my urine Ketone levels, and it shows up there and of course you feel it in your body as well if you are aware and know what ketosis feels like and I do.

  5. SALT: I believe the reason for the increase in my last PSA test was due to my liberal use of salt in that testing period. I had used no salt in my diet for the last 7 months, except for those two weeks and for one week after. Salt exclusion and replacement with Potassium is a key objective in the Gerson Therapy. I had not read the Gerson Therapy until two weeks ago and was reminded of this fact at that time. Unfortunately this last week I consumed at tub of store bought product with sea salt. The week before I bought a similar product which did not have salt so I failed to look at the label on this larger tub. We learn best from our mistakes. A week ago I was feeling run down, a typical sign the cancer is surging. My energy is now back up to full strength. I was able to work out the supplement protocol of the Gerson Therapy and have ordered the supplements I require. Although this information is provided in their book it took me an hour to pull that information out of the text. I now have the information necessary to follow their protocol. I had not used any Gerson supplements in my first two knockdowns using juicing and fasting. I will update my PSA in two weeks and report those results here when available.

    1. Thnaks for the update Don! Indeed it is well known that Na (from salt) enables the transport of glucose inside cancer cells, and thus indirectly feeding cancer cells. In addition, Na enables export of protons outside cancer cells which allows the development of tumors. These are at least two major reasons why cancer cells require the availability of Na, more than the normal cells. I am looking forward to read the good news with your next update.

      1. Very very good point.Good knowledge.
        Daniel,i think also glutamine transport is sodium dependent.
        May be SGLT inhibitors can block also glutamine.What do you think?
        Glutamine and glucose calories are nearly same.Does it mean that same energy for cancer?
        This glutamine section eats my brain.

  6. PSA Update:
    My PSA reading Feb 12, 2018 was 1.8. My last reading 30 days prior was 1.6. This was not a resumption of the knockdown pace from November and December. It also was not the standard 100 day doubling growth of cancer, but somewhere in between.

    The most likely explanation for why my cancer is still rising is because the first 10 of the 30 days of my last measurement period I ate salt each day in packaged food. A second explanation could be stress. In 3 weeks time my wife and I sit down for a settlement conference and communications have become stressful. A third possible explanation is I have been in chiropractic treatment 5 days a week for the last 3 weeks. I was doing 3 Chiropractic treatments a day 5 days a week taking 6 hours a day. I would be sore each day from the adjustments creating inflammation to get a repair response by the body. The good news is this treatment eliminated pain I have had from two injuries for 18 and 24 years. I have also had that nasty flu for the last 3 weeks giving my immune system more to deal with.

    My next PSA test will be Feb 28. This should resolve if salt was the cause. Divorce stress and chiropractic stress were both very high in this last two weeks.

    I learned my lesson about packaged foods and their ingredients. I think I made the mistake because I wanted a dietary change and felt over confident from my back to back 40% knockdowns.

    I will spend 30 minutes a day starting next week listening to a stress reduction CD and another 30 minutes a day doing daily workouts.

    1. Thank you for the update Don. Addressing inflammation origin (e.g. stress and flu) is essential. Enjoying every day even more important. Take care of you and please keep us up to date with your findings.

    2. Dear donc,
      It makes me happy to see people treating cancer naturally. And what you’ve done is awesome. I have few questions for you. How did you feel when were on juice fasting? I did 8 days water fast at holidays and felt really tired and had to stop it because of job. I want to give a try at juice fasting but i have to walk all day. And you said that you use gala apples. According to Gerson Therapy they are from the worst apples to use. They use the tartest apples. Maybe its because they have less sugar That’s why they use granny smith. Here you can see few of them http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2010/07/know-your-apples-spectrum-of-apple.html . And did you get supplements with your juices? Almost all of them are used with food.

      1. Ilhan – With juice fasting I allowed myself to drink as much juice as I needed initially to get over the mental startup hump and settle into the program. I felt quite good and was able to go skiing. After a few days I required less juice and got down to the desired intake. You are not in ketosis so your energy is much higher. I also did the 800 calorie Fast Mimicking Diet and found my energy quite good. My preference is still for the short 3 day water fast. If you start Friday morning after a meal your next meal will be Monday. On Friday you will have good energy as you have plenty of glucose. Longer water fast are for more autophagy benefits for things like arthritis. Another option is time restricted eating. Limiting to 8 hours a day it also triggers autophagy. Autophagy can also be triggered by ICES-PEMF generator, but not for the immune system. If it is the immune system boost you are after doing more short (3 day water fasts) will get the job done. I am doing 6 monthly, then a year of quarterly then if I am in good healthy twice a year. This is what Valter Longo recommends for my situation to boost the immune system.

        As for apples on Gerson the bitter apples are for the Malic Acid found in green apples. Sugar from fruit is not an issue with Gerson. Gala apples are part green part red. They are allowed if “organic” with Gerson. MY source was this page http://www.hawaiinaturopathicretreat.com/accommodations/. In double checking this I learned Fuji apples are also allowed if organic. If the apple is not organic it is not allowed.

        Supplements are possible with juicing. I did not do them. In retrospect I should have done iodine and potassium. With water fasting I did not do any supplements obviously.

        1. Thanks for you informative answer donc. I made a research about fasting long time ago. Its one of the most powerful and cheapest healing protocols.

      1. My pain is the lowest it has been in 19 years. I cannot believe I could reduce my back pain after 19 years but I have done this. A lot has happened since I first reported here. I have eliminated the nagging arthritic problems I was having for the last 30 years due to dietary changes. The chiropractic treatment was the start of my spine recovery. I have been working out 3-5 days a week for the last year and half. I did the Wim Hoff fundamentals online course 4 months ago and in there I started doing pushup and plank every morning. This helps my abs which are critical to a stronger lower back. I did 30 million embryonic stem cells injection to my right knee, right shoulder and IV 2 months ago. I think the IV stem cells helped my back heal a little bit. It is not supposed to be very effective with lower back bone injuries, but I had a noticeable response at the same time my knee was getting better. I also did 31 treatments of PEMF, high powered laser, hyperbaric chamber and far infrared saunas 4 months ago. It was not that effective for my cancer but helped my body heal a little bit. While doing the PEMF I slept 8-9 hours a day, which I had not done for 19 years due to back pain. When I finished this treatment my sleep slowly went back to 6-7 hours a night. Then after the stem cell treatment I started getting 8 hours sleep a night again around 4-5 days a week. I would say it takes a lot of work and progress can be made. It is possible to heal from old injuries. I have done a lot of this. Chiropractic and learning how to walk with my chest out was the critical and most important step. Doing ab exercises is the second most important for me. Finally the stem cells may have played a role, but that is uncertain. I recently learned about a drug called Forteo that reportedly helps with fracture repairs. It is the constant journey of little steps that results in your arriving at new destinations.

        1. Thank you, Don. I asked because it seemed like a very intensive chiropractic schedule. Interesting that you mention PEMF. I just listened to a podcast on Super Human Radio with Dr Richard Dennis, who studied it for NASA. I don’t know if you listened to it but has lots of good information. Thanks again for your response.

  7. PSA Results 2-28-2018.
    My PSA dropped from 1.9 to 1.2 (37% drop in 2 weeks). So it was the accidental salt use that was the most likely largest contributor to the slight rise I had the two weeks prior. Obviously I am elated with my results and continuing my progress in knocking back my cancer.

    I was very careful his time to avoid salt. I started off this 2 weeks with a 3 day water fast. This was one of my monthly 3 day water fasts. I added daily rectal ozone to my treatments about one week ago. This was done to try and recover my nerves in my prostate and to send an ozone signal to my lower back to assist with the regrowth of my damaged vertebrae.

    Stress was fairly high for me these last two weeks but not extreme as I am going through a divorce.

    I test again in 2 weeks not because I am changing anything, but because I will be returning to Canada for 7 months and before I meet with my Oncologist that is what he has asked me to do.

    I have added ICES-PEMF to my daily treatments in order to try and regrow one damaged vertebrae (from 18 years ago) that is now supported by bars and screws and has not regenerated sufficiently. It ma also result in other positive side effects from the autophagy and cell membrane stimulation, we will see. One of my two damaged vertebrae did fix itself 18 years ago. I was success 6 months ago in regrowing my nerves in my lower back with four injections of B12 and ozone. That was both good news and bad news. The new nerves also made my pain sensations worse. The screws and bars keep it from moving sufficiently which stabilize it but also fails to adequately stimulate that area to promote autophagy and regrowth.

    1. Great results Don! I am very happy for you!
      Should I add the graph you send me as an update to your post?

      Update: following Don’s agreement via private communication a graph has been added at the end of the post, representing the new data on the PSA evolution

      Kind regards,

  8. Don,
    Fantastic story. It is quite similar to my own except I don’t have a quantitative monitor for my head and neck squamous cell carcinoma cancer. I started the ketogenic diet and a natural approach (fermented foods and fibers) to boost the immune system to be able to see and attack cancer cells about 1.5 years ago.
    I currently believe, as you mention, mTOR and autophagy are the key to controlling cancer growth and because protein intake controls mTOR I feel Dr. Longo’s fast mimicking diet s the right macronutrient ratio for cancer patients. I started with low carb, moderate protein, high fat ratio (Restricted ketogenic diet) but over time have migrated to low protein, moderate carbohydrate, high fat when I learned about nutrient sensors like mTOR from Dr. Mercola and Dr. Ron Rosedale as he indicates in this video:


    I am impressed with the way you put this information together and from one cancer patient to another I thank you. I would actually like to talk to you directly to compare cancer journey notes if that interests you.

    1. Thanks John. Funny I did not get a notice you posted this but I came back today to update my results.
      I would add that the second essential element (I call it the first and immune system boost the second) is increasing the electrical potential of your cells including the tumor cells. This can be accomplished by diet. A key component of that outcome is using iodine to pull salt out of the cells and replace it with potassium. The condition of salt in unhealthy cells and potassium in healthy cells was consistent and related to the electrical potential of the cells. When electrical potential is half of normal the cells either die or go anaerobic. This can be reversed.

      1. Don,
        That is interesting. I actually do take 5 drops of Iosol iodine daily. I don’t know the diet for increasing the cells electrical potential but I think the fast mimicking diet is best for most cancer patients. I see what your saying though, increase the potential across the membrane and the cancer cell could revert back to normal metabolism.

  9. Update 4-18-2018
    My PSA test from 4-16-2018 dropped to 1.3 from 1.4 a month ago. Not much of a drop. Under the standard 100 day doubling rate for cancer my PSA should have grown to 1.85 in this 30 days. So in that context it was a material victory, just not as good as I hoped.

    What was different this last 30 days:
    First I got my juice press back from repairs. This was good evidence that juice pressing is important. Dr. Gerson found this was the case back in the 1960s. I thought maybe the juicing machines were better but I agree juice pressing is a necessary additional step required for optimum results. These machines costs $325 and take up more space.

    Second I have been in Canada for these last 30 days. I have had to deal with a lot of stress related to my divorce. I do mean a lot. No one can keep going like this for long. I handle it fairly well because I grew up with an abusive stepfather, but it is not fun.

    I had a wisdom tooth removed a few days ago as it has been inflamed for a couple months.

    I was disappointed in my results as I wanted more. I was also happy my numbers did not go up. My reading of my body was I was not doing well for the first 20 days because of the stress. If felt like my body was doing good for the last 10 days. I have found these feeling are not always accurate.

    I need to work on more stress reduction, particularly by less engagement with my business partner (my wife). We operate separate stores. We also live in homes next to each other. Somedays she calls me 3-4 times to complain about something I did wrong. Fortunately that has slowed down. Two days ago I got a new lawsuit from her lawyer making my last few days a stress event. That one has finally passed.

    I workout 3 days a week and that helps. I was doing that all last month as well. The best solution is to reduce our interactions and find a a better way to calm myself after getting stressed out. I have some tapes to try for this purpose, it just takes time on top of everything else I am doing to figure it out.

    1. Don,
      Sorry to hear about all the stress – the last thing a cancer patient needs. I went through a divorce many years ago and can say it is one of the most stressful/ traumatic events in your life.

      Probably won’t help much but have you considered adaptogen herbs like Astagalus or Aswaganda that are supposed to reduce stress? I am currently doing a teaspoon of Ashwaganda in my morning tea.

      Here is a link to some info on some adaptogen herbs:
      7 Adaptogenic Herbs or Adaptogens that Help Reduce Stress:

    2. Dear Don, your graph (send by e-mail) looks super!!! 😀 Amazing! I am so happy for you! I will include it in the post as an update.
      For clarity, are you using any hormonal medication?

      Kind regards,

      1. No hormonal medications. Doing this with Vegan low fat diet (includes juicing) monthly 3 day water fasts and coffee enemas. My supplements are limited. Includes Iodine and potassium and a few other supplements recommended for the Gerson Therapy. It is a three pronged approach. Healthy of cells through high nutrient input. Health of immune systems through fasting macrophage once a month. Removal of toxin input and daily coffee enemas to remove toxins that are in there or are unavoidably in the foods.

        1. Don, thanks for the clear response. I actually knew that, but wanted to have it confirmed here, given your impressive results. I think it is very important that you took the low fat approach instead of Ketogenic Diet which in my opinion is not suitable for hormonal cancers.
          Your very well documented alternative treatment and response to it, clearly demonstrates that cancer can, at least in some cases, be well managed with a strict diet. We heard many anecdotal stories about the effectiveness of same or similar approaches, but now you have documentation to demonstrate this is true.

    3. Hi Don- Its great that you are holding steady despite the stress! Thanks for sharing your story and providing an update. Wishing you all the best and less stress in the future.

  10. Hi donc, Thanks so much for giving us so many details. I just spent a lot of time reading and rereading and taking notes, as my husband has prostate cancer, has been managing it for 2 years with gleasons 8 and 9, hasn’t done any surgery, radiation or anything except a bunch of alternative stuff. His psa continues to rise but he is unwilling to “give up” the natural routes yet. We are refocusing and he is going to do the 3 day water then 11 day juice fast. Curious how you chose 11 days? then you would suggest starting with the cooked onions and garlic as fist food after juice fast? And a year later, please update to how you are doing. thanks, Bonnie

    1. I chose the 11 day juice fast as that is when I wanted to stop. Juice fasts are not really a fast but a clean way to eat. I have learned for myself and for many others that stress is the biggest challenge an no amount of good nutrition, supplements or fasting will overcome this. You have to do the work to reduce the stress reaction in your body. EVOX and Releasing Therapy works well and are very efficient. Meditation also works. Removing yourself from the stressors works. Learning to react differently to the events works (cold immersion helps to train you to do this, and it is simple and free – it made a big difference for me). Check out what Dr. Cowden has to say about beating cancer. He has several books and YouTube videos. It takes all of this and more for some people. For others just a couple of them is all. I completely agree with your husband’s decision. We just need to buy time without harming ourselves. That works. All the basic things that give a person health work. Exercise, sauna, fasting, eating right, sunshine, positive thinking and imagery. I assume he has also dealt with toxins and is doing a coffee enema. All the best.

    2. Water Fasting has a variety of protocols for length depending on what you are trying to do. For arthritic reversal for more serious conditions it is 21 days once a year for several years in Russia and Germany. Studies show an annual 9 day water fast can reduce the incidence of cancer by 99% according to Dr. Ed Group a fasting expert. I find the 3 day water fast relatively easy to do. My longest so far is 5 days which I did in March 2019. I need to do a longer one but I need to do this when I am not working. I am ready to move up to 9 day water fast as I think this is an ideal moderate level. Besides autophagy you also get stem cell stimulation.

      Two and half months ago I did embryonic stem cell injections into my right knee and right shoulder and I also did one IV injection. The stem cells are highly anti inflammatory. After 2.5 months my progress is remarkable. This made me a believer in stem cells. When they inject 30 million units of embryonic stem cells, they are joined by ten times that amount from our own body. The fact that we can get an increase response from our own stem cells from fasting makes fasting longer much more enticing.

      During fasts longer than 3 days It is best to do a daily blood pressure measurement. If you are on a lot of medication you should consider a clinic for a fast longer than 3 days.

      Intermittent fasting produces autophagy and I am not sure about the stem cell response, but I suspect so. The recommended eating window is 6 to 10 hours. Dr. Longo prefers the 10 hour window. Other experts like the 6 hour window. Water fasts are better studied so I prefer those. I also find the eating window a bit restrictive but like so many things maybe this is all in my head.

      I am a fan of urine PH testing. I am on a raw food diet right now for 3 months. I have 3 weeks left to go. It greatly reduces your digestive load and is recommend for 90 days at the start of a holistic cancer treatment by Chris Beat Cancer and others. I recently added organic sauerkraut to my evening meal and about a week later I started to feel ill and it was not getting worse or better so I suspected something was up. My PSA test result then came back with an increase. I also noticed in the shower my prostate area responded to liking hot water something that I had experienced even before I knew I had cancer. I checked my Urine PH and sure enough it had dropped by a significant margin. I immediately dropped the two things I had added to my diet. Within 24 hours my urine PH was back to normal. A few days later my prostate area no longer responded to liking hot water.

      Homeostasis urine and blood PH is 7.35. I do a daily deep breathing exercise called the Wim Hoff Method. It raises my urine PH to above 8.0 and keeps it there for 36 hours. If I miss two days in a row I feel bad right away, like a cold coming on. When I do my deep breathing it goes away almost instantly. When I first started monitoring my urine PH is was 6.0. When I changed to a plant based diet it went up to 7.0 in a week. That is still too low and will promote the growth of your cancer. Getting your urine PH up above 7.35 is not a cure but it does slow the cancer down and helps you maintain better health. A good alkaline diet will help you get to 7.35 or a little above. It is good to test your urine PH once a week or sooner if you change your diet as the food you eat has a large bearing. If you eat the Standard American Diet expect you will be acidic and this will support illness.

      You can buy urine PH test strips on Amazon. I like the one made by Crystal because they have more colors to compare to. If you are also testing for ketosis there are others strips that do 10 tests.

      1. Hi Don,
        Your comment about the Wim Hom method caught my attention. A friend of ours introduced us to Wim Hof and his breathing technique a few weeks ago, and while I found it interesting, I thought of it as more of a novelty. When I read your comment about pH, my husband and I decided to give it a try. We were amazed that my urine pH increased from 5 to 6.5 and his from 6.5 to 8 after 15 minutes of practicing 3 rounds of the technique! I found this interesting study on the physiology of individuals practicing the technique: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034215/.
        We are now 5 days into practice, but the part that has been the most remarkable for us is the marked improvement in my husband’s energy levels. Despite being 9 months off all cancer Meds and in NED, he has had unshakeable fatigue. His energy improves immediately after practicing the breathing and is sustained for most of the day.

        1. Yes I agree. When my urine PH drops to below 7.35 I can feel the energy drop. If his urine PH was 5.0 there is likely something wrong in his diet. Eating vegetable rose my urine PH from 6.0 to 7.0. It could be other things, but dietary issues are likely. Nose breathing also helps raise your urine PH. Exercise raises your urine PH. You need to be at least 7.35. If we are sick with cancer higher is better. It is hard doing the Wim Hoff, but worth it. I do four rounds of 30 and one round of 24 for my pushups. This is what Wim recommends in his online course. If you are getting to 8.0 with 3 rounds that is good enough. I am between 8.0 and 8.5. I did not notice when I dropped to 7.35 but I did feel the energy drop when I got 7.0 from eating acidic sauerkraut.

          1. Well……. my pH was 5…… so there is something wrong with my diet……my husband eats a diet similar to yours, mostly raw, lots of vegetable juices and his pH is typically higher than 7. However, this particular morning when we tested, it was 6.5 and went to 8. Mine was 5 and went to 6.5. We also measure pO2 during the technique, it is 100% during the breathing and drops to the low 60s when the breath is held out. So the Wim Hof technique basically causes respiratory alkalosis, oxygen saturation followed by hypoxia, and then an adrenalin burst. In fact, the study mentioned above states, “Epinephrine levels in trained individuals were even higher than those reported in a recent study …. elicited by a bungee jump.” One could question the benefit of these extreme metabolic alterations, but there are favorable reports across the web, including in those with chronic fatigue. The technique has also been shown to decrease inflammatory cytokines and increase lymphocytes. While it is only day 6 for us, so far it has been profound.

            1. It was originally developed to combat stress as well. Although the cold immersion does a much better job with stress and ones reaction to stressful people.

    3. Dr. Group is a fasting expert and the link below is a good explanation about fasting without making any claims about what it can do for any disease (well at little of it in general form at the very end. US doctors are not allowed to do this unless it is FDA approved). At 13 minutes in he explains about the study that shows the reduction of cancer incidence by 99% with annual 9 day hard water fasts. (Not sure there is another drug that has a study showing this result. I have not seen the study). He can be reached at [email protected] to ask for a link to this study or anything else). 47 to 48 minutes in Dr. Group explains that an 18 day fast is safe for most everyone not on a lot of medications and can be done without supervision. The 18 day fast maximizes stem cell production (starts after 6 days) without going into the stressful period that tends to show up around 21 days. The only caveat is to not have a lot of stress during the fast. This will be my goal for this fall when I am done with work and my divorce stuff.

      You will find a good explanation about why it must be water only going into your mouth. Lots of other experts claim the same thing, Dr. Group explains this aspect of fasting pretty well.


  11. donc, how have you been doing? It is great to hear that you continue to find helpful tactics to keep ahead of the cancer. I would love to see an update of the chart that you posted of your PSA values. Thank you for sharing your positive story with the thread. You started off a wave of success on the forum that has continued.

    1. I am pleased to hear the group has enjoyed a wave of success. I think when you choose health you are on the right path. For each of us that path looks a little different. I have my ups and downs. As time goes by I get more comfortable about what I am doing. I keep thinking I am really close to beating this thing. My PSA is 3.5 as of 2 weeks ago. Under my standard 130 day doubling rate, observed for the first 6 months after my surgery, my PSA should be 200 right now. My Oncologist was impressed this time. I am in the throws of a difficult divorce and stress is my main challenge, it probably has been for a long time. I have been able to change quite a bit about how I react to things and this is helping. It has taken a lot of work and commitment. I keep making small mistakes with my diet, a consequence of my experimental nature. It seems when I make a small change it usually backfires. My overall health is excellent and for that I am grateful. I still believe I can get to full remission with this approach. I need to improve how I react to stress and finish my divorce and clean up the main stressors in my life. I am pleased overall with what I have done and what I have learned. I am glad I choose this path. It has not been easy, but I am the better for it. I am healthy and strong and this counts for a lot. My health and fitness gives me a quality of life I did not have before I decided to be responsible again for my health. I do look forward to the day when I spend less of my day around food preparation. Interestingly my life overall is going really well considering all that I am dealing with. I have a peace about me now I have not known for a long time. Thanks for asking, and keeping pointing your ship toward health.

      1. donc, yes you have greatly helped us on the forum to understand how to help people with cancer. One of the big insights that I gained from your comments is the idea that treatment needs to be continuous. You expressed this idea in relation to fasting/ketogenic dieting. This was a very significant step forward for the forum. Not long after that we all started talking about the importance of metronomic dosing which is, in fact, nothing more than a continuous treatment regiment similar in concept to fasting etc. . Applying continuous pressure on cancer over an extended period of time obviously makes a great deal of sense. However, few if any cancer treatments ever even bother applying it: Patients might go to a clinic for a treatment a few times every month or take chemo from time to time though never enter into a 24/7 treatment zone.

        When others on the forum actually used this approach we started to see very large responses. For example, Jess applied this approach to her father’s pancreatic cancer on top of chemo using metronomic 2-DG and the results were very impressive.

        Metronomic dosing has been one of my highlights on our journey to find better treatment approaches for cancer. Thank you for helping us reach this understanding and for those who have been helped by this insight.

        One idea that you should be aware of is that the research appears to show that 3-BP is highly active in prostate cancer. What is especially interesting is that the patients that do not seem to benefit are those with extremely low PSA values. There was an acetate PETscan study that found a great percent of the prostate patients over a certain PSA threshold benefited. You might want to keep this mind if your PSA levels continue to increase. I think the idea is that in order for 3-BP to be effective there needs to be a sufficient acidic environment to allow its uptake by MCT-1. Once these tumor environments are present then it can be effective.

        I am sorry to hear about the stress that you are experiencing from your divorce. Perhaps now that you have made so much progress with your treatment, your wife might decide that she wants you back? I am not clear why this has not already entered the equation. If she is being entirely rational about all of this, then one might expect that such a suggestion might be made at some point.

        1. I am surprised and pleased to learn I helped. I think it says more about your group than me however. Making connections takes bravery to see and then walk down a new path, not everyone can do that.

          My wife will not come around and I would not choose to stay with her now. I hold it as she did me a great favor and I am grateful. Even my cancer is a gift to wake up, take better care of myself and make the most of the time I have. I have things left to do.

  12. Hello,

    Thank you so very much for this wonderful website. I will share it with friends, family and colleagues.

    What do you think is best, water fasting for 2 days per week on, say, Mondays and Thursdays OR fasting for 2 days in a row, say, Friday and Saturday?

    Or should I do a 3- or 4-day water fast once or twice per month?

    What has better results for rebuilding my immune system?

    Thank you for your time and attention to this matter.

    1. I do not know the correct answer. I am not sure fasting is the most effective way to rebuild your immune system. I do believe it is a superior way to replace weak and damaged cells with healthy strong new ones and to put healthy cells into protective mode.

      I have not run into data or a discussion comparing intermittent fasting to water fasting. With water fasting the magic of increased autophagy and cells going into protective mode starts at 48 hours. That is enough to protect someone going to receive chemo, radiation or anything toxic to good cells, and enough to protect some of the good cells right after. It is also the best break from the digestive load. With intermittent fasting it gives the body time off of digestive load so it can heal more effectively and this is sustained over a longer time. I think I would do both as I think they do different things. With intermittent fasting I would opt for a 10 hour eating window with the last meal no later than 6 pm. Go to bed by 9 pm every night this helps with detox.

      As for your immune system it is mostly in the gut and the best way to heal that is to be very particular with what you eat. The question you want to ask is how do you repair a leaky gut? One thing I have used that helps rebuild a leaky gut is Aloe gel (Stockton Aloe1) it is tasteless, you add it to a smoothie or juice. It also has EZ water.

      You gut microbiome is created by what you eat and put in your mouth. Fruit is the easiest thing on your gut. After that strained juices of carrots and apples are easy on your gut. Green juices are a little harder on your gut but good for your microbiome. Raw food is easy on your digestive system but the fiber is difficult to process so a proteolytic enzyme is recommended 30 minutes before a meal with fiber to facilitate digestion (it really works). Your food needs to support an alkaline body. Any food or beverage that is going to be acidic to your body should be avoided. A healthy person just needs to eat right 85% of the time, a person trying to recover from sickness need to eat right 100% of the time.

      Water fasting is the proven superior method of fasting. It is safe and mostly a mind game. Most people struggle on day 2, 3 and 5 and then not again until day 21.

      There is good data to support a regular cycle of water fasting is best. Longo recommends monthly 3 days water fasts for 6 months. He knows better than anyone. He then recommends quarterly and finally semi annually or annually. There are others that recommend programs like this.

      As for recovering from a health issue I believe it takes dealing with your health around the main 4 areas. Diet, lifestyle, toxins and stress. You should work on all four at the same time. It should start with what you put in your mouth, choose carefully. Exercise is the next best thing you can do for your health. If all you can do is walk 5 minutes start there. The data shows 40 minutes of walking 3 days a week does wonders to extend life. Saunas are great. Stress reduction is super important. Or you can think of it another way – providing peace, calm and quiet for your mind is super important.

      I am starting a 9 day water only fast on Tuesday even though I am working 6 days a week right now. My work is not that stressful right now and I really want to get well past 5 days to get the accelerated stem cell benefits that start on the 6th day. Stem cells are the main cellular repair initiators. My last water fast was for 5 days and it was 2 months ago. Each time I do a water fast it gets a little easier. I am a little nervous about going longer and doing this while I am working. We all get this way.

      As for timing, I suggest having your last meal be Thursday night and breaking your fast Monday morning. For a 3 day fast you need to break it with fruit first then juices for the first 24 hours. Then you can reintroduce solid foods on the next day. Do not push yourself on the first day of the fast too much. You will have glucose stores on day 1 and it is an easy day. As you shift into using fat for fuel on day 2 & 3 your body struggles a bit. You may also experience some serious detox on day 2 and 3. Binge watching some shows on Netflix is good to do on day 2.

    2. I forgot to deal with the cause. You may not like this recommendation but if I was you this is what I would do. I assume you had chemo or radiation and some other toxin that has damaged your immune system. If so I would do 5 coffee enemas a day as per the Gerson recommendation of strength and type. I recommend using one drop of olive oil on the tip for easier insertion. I use a foam kitchen pad and towel to lay on. 5 a day is super demanding (if you are working this will not be possible so do what you can 3 a day), but until you remove the toxins from your system your gut / immune system is not going to heal properly. This is the most important thing you can do. I would make all five batches in the morning at one time in a large pot at half water (10 qts). Put them then into mason jars. When ready add one more 2 qt of water and heat for 1 minute to warm temperature.

      I have a summary of how to do this here: http://donbeatcancer.com/DonBeatCancer/Coffee_Enemas.html

    3. Hi, thank you so much for your feedback. Don is the expert in diet in our group here so I think his response is very valuable. I would go for the 3 days water fasting each month instead of the 2days/week. And if it’s combined with chemotherapy a few days before chemo and a few after may help lower side effects and increase effectiveness. For rebuilding the immune system I would better focus on suitable lifestyle, no stress, a proper diet and good food supplements such as probiotics and mushrooms e.g. Coriolus. Kind regards, Daniel

  13. Hi again. Daniel and Don, thank you both so very much. I will take your recommendations. I have not undergone any therapies; currently I am on active surveillance. The doctor told me that at my level, he has seen total remission (the cancer goes away) on the next biopsy. That is all I needed to hear. I have done research and I think fasting is the way to go. I guess when I referred to strengthening my immune system, I meant autophagy and protecting my healthy cells. Again, for this goal, fasting seems to have worked for many people.

    I intend to do a long, doctor-supervised fast starting in late July at a fasting clinic. I will keep you posted as to the results. I might also do a video blog of my experience.

    So let me tell you what I am hearing from your advice and how I interpret it and, more importantly, how I will apply it: I intend to do one 3-day fast per month, another 2-day fast per month and then two more 1-day fasts per month. In other words, I will fast for 7 days per month. On the other days, I will eat almost exclusively vegan foods, and I will leave myself a window of time in which to eat, late afternoon to early evening. It is in this manner that I will utilize all the different fasting techniques–long term fasting (especially at the clinic), and intermittent fasting.

    That’s it, I suppose. One question: Why do you recommend a COFFEE enema specifically? Why a coffee enema versus any other enema, like a saline enema?


    1. kingdada1, I am excited about your intended approach! This would extend out our understanding of metabolic treatment to cancer in a new direction. We have heard about fasting before on this site and elsewhere, though it would be useful for us to see how your variant of a treatment plan of fasting might work out. I would think that possibly up to a 7 day fast might be worth considering, yet we can see how it goes for you. It is very encouraging that we continue to have posters who want to push the treatment frontier with new variants.

  14. Scientific studies that reversed prostate cancer using the Whole-Food Plant-Based diet.

    Dr. Greger’s videos:

    1:18 Ornish prostate cancer
    2:44 gene expression

    1:06 – 2005 Ornish et al. enrolled 93 men in a 12-month diet intervention on early low-grade cancer.
    1:13 – 2001 Saxe et al. enrolled 10 men in a 4-month diet intervention on advanced cancer.

    1:42 There are huge differences in prostate cancer rates, USA rates are up to a hundred times higher than some places in Asia.
    1:58 And, it’s not just genetic; within one generation of coming to the U.S., cancer rates shoot up, and the grandkids end up with the same top-of-the-pile rates … diet appears to have the greatest influence.

    Studies on Pubmed:

    Can diet in conjunction with stress reduction affect the rate of increase in prostate specific antigen after biochemical recurrence of prostate cancer? Saxe 2001

    Intensive lifestyle changes may affect the progression of prostate cancer. Ornish 2005

    Clinical events in prostate cancer lifestyle trial: results from two years of follow-up. Ornish 2008

    Potential attenuation of disease progression in recurrent prostate cancer with plant-based diet and stress reduction. Saxe 2006

    More about the Whole-Food Plant-Based diet at https://wfpb-wolf.netlify.com

  15. Hi Don!
    I am same age and diagnosed at same time as yourself back in 2016 but only had Gleason 7 (3+4) which allowed more options to consider. I went the laser ablation route trying to destroy individual tumors inside the prostate (one in 2016 and another one in 2017). After 2017 I went into full research mode hoping to reduce chance of another occurrence. My change to healthy diet and some supplements dropped my weight from 225 to 180 lbs and my blood pressure dropped back to normal. Unfortunately PSA went up slowly (0.6 to 1.25) during next 2 years and another Gleason 7 tumor appeared in yet another location within the prostate. This time I decided to ablate the entire prostate (Tulsa-Pro in Germany, August 2019). PSA should have dropped to stable 0.35 but only dropped back to 0.9 and is now 1.4.
    So I am now at 1.4 and thinking about next step which has to be an even better diet and your history on this all this is very valuable. I am thinking however that Vitamin C should play a role with fasting. I also have found papers that demonstrate that you can achieve blood levels similar to IVs when taken by pill. I think trick is to get time released high dose tablets. One type under consideration is here:


  16. Hello Maverick.
    You are doing a great job.
    Getting healthy is a step by step building process where you keeping improving what you are doing to get more healthy.

    The first thing I would do is to calculate your cancers current doubling rate. I was only able to do that for you for the two years it went from 0.6 to 1.25, this is a doubling rate of around 720 days. That is slow. Mine is 130. The others in the Mushroom study I will mention below were around 160. This was my before intervention “watchful waiting” period doubling rate. Now every month I see if I am progressing or losing at my standard doubling rate.

    The second thing I would test would be my urine PH. It should 7.0 to 7.5. This makes it harder for cancer to grow in your body. When I started my urine PH was 6.0-6.2. When I changed my diet to Vegan it came up to 7.0. I wanted it at 7.3. So I now do the Wim Hoff 3 rounds of breathing (well I do 2.5) every morning before I get out of bed. Now my urine PH is at 8.0 steadily. It drops a little when I sleep.

    Stress is the number one promoter of cancer, so as part of your getting to the best health you can get yourself to, you need to deal with these issues as well. Exercise helps reduce it, but if the stress is chronic nothing will work short of making the necessary change.

    Diet is the second promoter of inflammation in our bodies. I found Vegan Ketogenic no salt no oil did not work at all. I found great results with Vegan. My best results came around fasting which says the fasting helped a lot, bu now I also believe the exclusion of inflammatory foods was important. Now I suspect it was the salt.

    I have been 100% salt free for 3 weeks. I had no idea how much salt I had allowed back into my diet. Unfortunately 10 days go I got back to Canada and my wife whom I am separated from and in a divorce process decided to greet me with a torrent of hate and harassment. So my salt test is in for a rough go against all this stress. Still I am very encouraged about this as my best results came around times I was certain I was 100% salt free.

    The City of Hope in os Angeles did a Mushroom study on two people with Castrate Resistant Prostate Cancer with low numbers that are starting to climb (around 3.5) to test the concept and see if they could see the same result in humans as in the petri dish. It work to cure both patients in 60 days. Their PSA dropped below the 0.04 minimum reading possible. They secured 3
    $3.3 million for a trial in January. It is a double blind so …. you know. The Protocol seems simple enough. You can read the prescription bole top few lines in the video. The dose is 7 grams of mushroom powder two times a day.

    This was so successful they secured $3.3 million in January 2020 to run a double blind study. Personally I would skip the trial (50% chance of a placebo) as you can get the medicine. It is the protocol that is need to be confirmed, for optimum effectiveness. What they did worked. Check out the video on YouTube. Just type “Mushrooms to treat prostate cancer YouTube”.

    I assume this is required on an empty stomach for conservatism. So each day I will take them at least 30 minutes before a meal. I am making my own in 00 vegetable capsules. I will also add some fresh mushroom to my food, but not overdo it.

    I am using an organic mushroom mix from Amazon.

    They did this because the doctors got tired of dealing with the negative side effects. Hello!

    As for diet vegetables are important anti inflammatory food. I use myu garlic press to eat fresh garlic, ginger and turmeric every meal.

    I make sure to add the known fruits and vegetables that are harmful to Prostate Cancer cells in the petri dish. Blueberries, Pomegranate, dark grapes, mushrooms, broccoli sprouts and all the cruciferous vegetables and onions. I also use Thyme liberally as recommended by Daniel, it can tell it was working for me. Not sure now.

    I do not consume any of the inflammatory foods that do not work for me, if I know about them. Even sill at times I kind of wander off course a bit.

    Most protocol call for continuing for some months (like 6) after the all clear.

    If you have success please share it with me.

    P.S. COVID-19
    1. We all need to be up on our Vitamin D levels, as this is the highest correlated factor to who ends up with a cytokine storm and how severe the virus is when you get it. The relationship was a strong one, far stronger than any other variable tested. it also showed the desired dose affect. As Vitamin D levels dropped below optimum so did the severity of COVID-19. This is because Vitamin D in adults is used to control the immune response. With low level of Vitamin D this does not work well and a cytokine storm can develop. It also explained the reason so few kids get this. They do not have this same issue with a mature immune system that needs regulating by Vitamin D. So all they typically get is the low level infection. This is IMPORTANT!

    2. Hydrogen Peroxide works very fast and efficiently to kill the virus. I keep a spray bottle of food grade diluted to 3% (it works even at 0.5%).

    3. I have a nebulizer just in case. It works well with Hydrogen Peroxide to knock down the virus in the lungs.

    4. Hong Kong yesterday released data on 120 patients that got a three exiting anti viral cocktail. It was given early (hello!) and it was very effective with very little side effects.

    1. Your reply is very well written and I appreciate the advice. I am under quasi-guidance from Doctors in Germany with advice my cancer is now outside of prostate and they are recommending newer Pet scans (F18 PSMA currently undergoing trials here) that are sensitive enough with a PSA of 1.4 to deduce where cancer likely is. I was schooled as Nuclear Engineer and worked 1/2 of career in that industry. Human organs where cells are dividing fastest (liver, reproductive organs, etc) are most susceptible to radiation induced cancer. I had a Pet scan back in 2017 and when reviewing images I saw that my liver was showing high absorption of nuclear material even though my liver was not cancerous. It was explained that liver uptake was normal. Needless to say I’m now reluctant more than ever to avoid any more PET or CT scans.

      I’m in big favor of blood testing however. One such test might demonstrate cancer has moved to bones:
      “Alkaline Phosphatase Velocity (APV) appears to be a strong independent predictor of bone metastases and overall survival in men with rising PSA on ADT in this retrospective cohort study. These data suggest the hypothesis that subtle changes within the normal range of alkaline phosphatase may be clinically relevant.”


      You mention CityOfHope- I’m following this evolving therapy and saw that Australia already has it available for about $10k


      Also for pandemic you should see this (it has English subtitles).


    2. Don
      I appreciate all the fasting info you have provided. I will soon begin periodic fasting in hopes of repairing chemo induced low lymphocyte count.
      FWIW I use Matcha Green Tea and sometimes Barley Grass Juice Powder to maintain a PH that PC doesn’t like.
      I am whole food vegan also.
      Thanks again for the info and inspiration.


    3. Don,

      I am first time poster and stumbled upon your story. I am 70 years old. 11 years ago my PSA was around 10 and I took no actions on that fact. Recently, it has been measured at 30 and then the next day at 24 so call it an average of 27. Upon an MRI, a 2 cm tumor was found with possible seminal vesicle invastion with a Pirad 5 assigned to it. I am about to have a targeted biopsy to get a gleason score on the prostate. Before, I get radiation, I would like to see if I can reverse the tumor/psa through a whole foods plant diet, SOS free in addition to a prolonged water only fast. The work of Longo and Goldhammer are very inspirational and give me hope. I’d be interested in your thoughts. I’ll get back once my biopsy results come back in a few weeks.


  17. Don,

    I am first time poster and stumbled upon your story. I am 70 years old. 11 years ago my PSA was around 10 and I took no actions on that fact. Recently, it has been measured at 30 and then the next day at 24 so call it an average of 27. Upon an MRI, a 2 cm tumor was found with possible seminal vesicle invastion with a Pirad 5 assigned to it. I am about to have a targeted biopsy to get a gleason score on the prostate. Before, I get radiation, I would like to see if I can reverse the tumor/psa through a whole foods plant diet, SOS free in addition to a prolonged water only fast. The work of Longo and Goldhammer are very inspirational and give me hope. I’d be interested in your thoughts. I’ll get back once my biopsy results come back in a few weeks.


    1. Hi Skip,

      In order for Don to receive a notification and know you wrote to him, you need to write you msg as a reply to one of his comments (as I am now responding to your comment).

      Kind regards,

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